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== HOWTO moderate a meeting ==
Anyone can moderate the meeting, though it helps a great deal if you have been to meetings before.
#'''Say "Five minutes to meeting!".''' This will give you time to read these instructions.
#Get someone to '''grab the membership binder'''. It is kept near the shrine, which is currently on the south wall, between the electronics and sewing areas.
#'''Get someone to take notes.''' Point the shocked and bemused note-taker to the sub-instructions below these instructions.
#(Optional) '''Get someone to put this wiki page up on the projector'''.
#Skim '''read through the Agenda''' below that to get a feel for what a meeting will looks like.
#People may have added '''Discussion Items''' to this page, or they may raise them during the meeting. If they emerge during the meeting, suggest that they be discussed _in_ the Discussion Item section, rather than derail other sections of the meeting. Discussion for these can be open-ended, but you should aim to wrap up the meeting within an hour. It can be handy to explicitly summarise what people intend to do as a result of the discussion. There is no requirement on you, Noisebridge the organization, or anyone else to do anything as a result of a discussion item.
#If there are '''Consensus Items''', ensure that they were raised in meeting last week (the membership needs a week's warning for consensus items). Your main job in consensus is to listen to what everyone is saying, make sure everyone gets a chance to say something, and then -- if the debate is beginning to go round in circles or settle -- propose a Position that everyone seems to agree on. If people disagree with the Position, they will wrangle some more, or someone else will propose a Position. If no-one disagrees with the Position, say "So do we consense on $POSITION?". If no one objects, ask the note-taker to record the Position. If things are getting nowhere and we're all getting bored and antsy, identify the people objecting, and ask them to discuss the problem with the proposers of Consensus Item outside the meeting, and return next week with a compromise solution.
#'''Shout "Meeting starts now!" now''', and start reading (out loud) through the Agenda!
#'''When you are done, consult with the note-taker,''' and make sure they know what they have to do to finish their job -- especially updating the wiki, and mailing nb-discuss, and the treasurer with new membership details.
#'''Put back the membership binder''' by the Shrine.
#'''Bathe in the glow''' of the respect of your fellow Noisebridgers.
=== HOWTO note-take a meeting ===
#Your moderator should give you five minutes to '''read these instructions'''. If they don't, say "Woah there cowboy, I need to know what I'm doing. Five minutes, por favor!". Use exactly those words.
#This page should have a URL like "https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2010_12_28", with today's year, month and date in it. If doesn't, copy [Meeting Notes Template] to a wiki page with that kind of URL. If you don't know how to copy wiki pages, say, "Can someone help me with the Noisebridge Wiki?", and get them to create a page with that kind of URL, and then show you how to copy this page to it and edit it.
#'''Edit this page.''' Add notes under each category -- you can delete any placeholder explanatory text as you go.
#'''Save the wiki page when you're done''' (no-one expects you to finish as the meeting is finished; it usually takes a half-hour or so after the meeting to get everything in order). Try to hyperlink stuff that should be linked. You can delete all this patronising instructional crap. Here's [Meeting_Notes_2010_12_28 an example] of a finally edited meeting.
#'''Create a page for next week's meeting''', by copying over [[Meeting Notes Template]] to an URL with next week's date in it (see step 1). If anybody proposed Consensus Items for next week, write them in here, and add them to the [[Current Consensus Items]].
#If there were any consensus items decided at your meeting, '''add them to [[Consensus Items History]], and take them out of the [[Current Consensus Items]]'''.
#Go to [https://www.noisebridge.net/&action=edit&section=3 the front page meetings notice] and edit the page that ''so that the Prev and Next meetings now point to this meeting notes, and the new meeting notes you just created respectively'''. (If that link is broken, it's a section half-way down the [[https://www.noisebridge.net/ front page]]
#'''Important!''' Send a final copy of the notes to '''noisebridge-discuss''', and '''email treasurer@noisebridge.net the details of any new members''' (you can get all the details from the membership binder, which may now be hidden over by the shrine.)
#Chill out, have a cocktail with a friendly robot, continue to rock the world.
== Agenda ==
== Agenda ==


[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge]
[https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 167th Meeting of Noisebridge]


Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE
Note-taker: [[User:Lizzard|Liz]]


Moderator: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE
Moderator: [[User:Malaclyps|Danny]]
   
   


=== Introduction and Names ===
=== Introduction and Names ===
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
* [[Noisebridge_Vision|What Noisebridge is about]]: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
* Round of introductions: What's your name, what do you do, and if you are new, how did you hear about Noisebridge? Start with the moderator and go left.
* Round of introductions:  
 
[[User:miloh|Miloh]]: hardware/electronics, electronics area and noisebridge. Sebastian: German hacker, network security, CCC. John from Australia: pilot, programmer brain wave measurer.  [[User:AlSweigart|Al]]: software developer, wrote a book. Espin: psychology and ideas, get hands dirty, woodworking, electronics.  Will: enterprise software, lifting heavy boxes.  Liz: web dev and internet sleuth and loves cooperatives and anarchy yay noisebridge.  Cynthia: physician defrocked, kitchen wench.  Mike: computers, programming, but NOT very large infrastructure. Lauren: who is using the makerbot. A few more people who came in after the introductions.
 
 
* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.
* [[Consensus Process|A brief primer on consensus process]]: We agree and so should you! Only paid-up members can block consensus.


=== Announcements ===
=== Announcements ===
Let the record reflect that the [[vending machine]]  now accepts dollar bills. John fixed it by taking it apart without breaking it! He will add the info on how to fix it to the wiki page on the vending machine.


=== Financial Report ===
=== Financial Report ===
Funds in bank:  
Funds in bank: Kelly's report is not here - But the bank funds looks to be still about 3 months ahead. We just got $3,000 from [[BayCon]] auction. Thanks BayCon!
 


=== Membership Binder ===
=== Membership Binder ===
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month.
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month.
* Anyone up for join this week should introduce themselves then leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime) for the rest of the group. The rest of the meeting should consense on whether they may join.
 
Names read: Jorgen from the Free School, Espin, George, Patrick L, Malachi R., Kevin S.
No one is up for membership this week.  
 


=== What's Going On at Noisebridge ===
=== What's Going On at Noisebridge ===
Today a lot of things happened including Tahoe, Bitcoin, Tastebridge, Ruby, some kind of LInux meeting, German class.
''One '''short''' sentence about each of the following:''
''One '''short''' sentence about each of the following:''


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=== Project Updates ===
=== Project Updates ===


(Anyone doing interesting projects is welcome to chip in here.)
Miloh,  we got a lot of [[LED signs]] from [[Hacker Dojo]], and they are now operational We need 5 volt /3 amp supplies for them.


=== Consensus items ===
=== Consensus items ===
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=== Discussion Items ===
=== Discussion Items ===


Al Sweigart would like to talk dirty.
Danny would like to propose for consensus paying someone to clean on a monthly basis.
Danny would like to meta-discuss the structure of the meeting.
Finally, Danny would like to mention a chat he had with the [[Free School]] folks.
Someone would like to anonymously point out that Free School and friends have turned the space under the laser room into their personal belonging storage for the past month or so (go check it now, it's a Noiserat nest heaven up in there!). Personal as in clothing, personal hygiene products, items one would normally store in a place they're living out of. Considering that it's illegal for anyone to live at 2169 Mission due to our lease and the city zoning code, does Noisebridge as a collective want people keeping their personal belongings (in this instance things you'd normal keep with you traveling or at your home) in the space? Additionally since such items are being left at the space, concern to their security and well being should be voiced considering Noisebridge as a collected sees property like this as automatic donated to the nonprofit, which was outlined in previous meetings. Or you could just delete this discussion item since I currently lack the energy (backbone?) to debating such things on my own but would like to see some action taken by the group.
Actual discussion:
Al would like to talk about [[filth]].  Noisebridge is very [[dirty]] so let's think of ways to get it less filthy
Danny proposes Noisebridge funds to pay someone to clean it on a monthly basis
Liz: It wouldn't help with daily level of filth but might be a good deep cleaning.
Miloh: What about setting a cap of how much $ we would spend on cleaning per month and for how long. What would we want done - we would have to describe what needs doing.
Didn't we have a spending freeze? No one remembers.
"If we don't remember, and we don't bother to look it up, then we can just ignore it"
Question from Mike about washing machine and dryer. Al says there is a bag of towels once a week or so and he takes it to a laundromat and washes it.
Will: Started a cleaning fund pledge page, didn't get many pledges.
Claudia brought soeone in  quote for the bathroom cleaning. Do we need bathroom cleaning?
Liz: spec out the jobs really well on signs, have spot to sign up and say you did it with the date. Describe job, what it means to do it, time estimate, supplies needed.
Will:  hire someone privately and see what difference it makes.
Al: if it would be easier to hire a member then let's try that.
Aestetix:  Have a list of things to do,  dates like with the bathroom cleaning. It's a gentle reminder.
Miloh: Annoyed because we already have these lists (somewhere)  And wants to just hire someone. We keep talking about it.
Aestetix objects to the idea of paid positions within Noisebridge. 
Sebastian says he had a cron job, every member had to do 1 hour of cleaning per year, the cron job would send out that it needs to be done.  What if all members agree to do X hours per time unit.)
We have many more people that use the space than that are official members. Maybe 10% are members.
Liz commits to write job descriptions and print them tomorrow and put them up. Aestetix and Will are going to help. Liz is going to just buy a laminating machine.
Will wants someone to just come mop the floor.
Danny proposes we do a one-off deep clean of the entire space. What would the person do? How much? we need a quote.
Will brings up donating. What about if on Monday nights, have someone walk around with a donation jar at crowded times and try to raise money. 
Miloh thinks it is offputting to have the donation jar right in the center of an activity.
Danny says he will go around begging for donations during Monday nights.
People keeping their stuff in the laser room, clothes and bathroom stuff as if someone's person's belongings.  Under stairwell, under laser cutter, etc.  Other people are asking them not do keep their personal stuff here in that way.  Al left some signs on their things asking people to move the stuff, with his email address for them to contact
It's illegal for people to live here.
John says he checked the zoning law and there is nothing about sleeping in a space it is about residence.
Aestetix says it's more about the social nuisance.
Cynthia: the electronic door is often not locked. So maybe it is good that people are here in the night to guard the space.
General groans around the room that we don't want to hash out this whole "sleeping at noisebridge" issue again right now, omg.
Is any of this a sense that the free school is a sort of "hippie problem" (anonymous note )  Are any of them members? Are they donating? Are they cleaning up after themselves? Do they talk to people?
Danny adds that no one had asked them to donate or be members until he asked them the other day, and one person immediately signed up in the membership binder.
Miloh says there is a general problem keeping personal stuff under the DJ room. 
Aestetix: can we describe what the issues are individually and address them rather than identifying a group and blaming them?
Sebastian talks about projects in Germany and how they asked the "freeloading" projects to donate and give back to the space that provides the infrastructure.
Danny: Raised this issue because he wonders if we have some way for an institution to "become a member" .  What do we think is a reasonable way to ask them to integrate or participate or donate in a greater way?
Miloh: There would be some people we would be tempted to block.
Aestetix: can an organization block consensus.
MIloh: has gotten to know them and would like to get to know them more but it's been difficult to do.
Liz: But how can the rest of us learn about this or help, if this is a general known problem?
Will: people are showing up and  there are actual individuals and behaviors we want to change. Not about another organization.
Danny: what are the bad behaviors?
Will:  When people stash stuff here, use the kitchen as personal dinner making and make a mess and they leave their dishes and the food out.
Danny: But that is that the kitchen is getting used a lot more. And that is good.  We just need to adjust. Maybe that's not the problem.
Danny: what can we do to talk with them, and what would we ask them to do?
Aestetix: we should feel free to go up to people and say This violated my personal boundary and i would prefer that you do it differently. 
Al did a really good thing rather than make it "noisebridge rule" talk about how the behavior is offensive.
Danny: We do have a scaling problem with communication in general so let's not scapegoat a group or assume that everyone who does something objectionable is part of that group.
Miloh: Had conversation with Jonah and others about some activities not being really good for Noisebridge, like martial arts, yoga, and they didn't do that.  But they do have Qi Gong classes.
Miloh: If an organized group comes in and wants to do stuff here, let's sit down and have a meeting with them right away! To establish what might work and what might not.
Danny: Some people really like them and what they do.
Let's be clear about this on the discuss list and also email the Free school people.
Baycon guy shows up with a check! YAY BAYCON!


=== End of Meeting ===
=== End of Meeting ===

Latest revision as of 23:13, 28 June 2011

Agenda

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The 167th Meeting of Noisebridge

Note-taker: Liz

Moderator: Danny


Introduction and Names

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  • What Noisebridge is about: "Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."
  • Round of introductions:

Miloh: hardware/electronics, electronics area and noisebridge. Sebastian: German hacker, network security, CCC. John from Australia: pilot, programmer brain wave measurer. Al: software developer, wrote a book. Espin: psychology and ideas, get hands dirty, woodworking, electronics. Will: enterprise software, lifting heavy boxes. Liz: web dev and internet sleuth and loves cooperatives and anarchy yay noisebridge. Cynthia: physician defrocked, kitchen wench. Mike: computers, programming, but NOT very large infrastructure. Lauren: who is using the makerbot. A few more people who came in after the introductions.


Announcements

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Let the record reflect that the vending machine now accepts dollar bills. John fixed it by taking it apart without breaking it! He will add the info on how to fix it to the wiki page on the vending machine.

Financial Report

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Funds in bank: Kelly's report is not here - But the bank funds looks to be still about 3 months ahead. We just got $3,000 from BayCon auction. Thanks BayCon!


Membership Binder

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  • Read off any names from the binder for the past month.

Names read: Jorgen from the Free School, Espin, George, Patrick L, Malachi R., Kevin S. No one is up for membership this week.


What's Going On at Noisebridge

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Today a lot of things happened including Tahoe, Bitcoin, Tastebridge, Ruby, some kind of LInux meeting, German class.

One short sentence about each of the following:

This is the active list of events from the main page:


Event Calendar

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events are haphazardly cross-posted on Meetup, the Discord, and Google Calender here

Some noisebridger's have also started hosting Events from a calendar at https://noisebridge.today/, and new (additional) associated gCal.


Key: W: Weekly | 1st 2nd 3rd 4th: Certain weeks | -2nd: Except certain weeks | S: Streaming | event: caution maybe dead | event: management of space


Upcoming Events

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Mondays

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Circuit_Hacking_Monday: Happy hardware hackers at Circuit Hacking Monday
Tags Time Title Description
W 7:00pm Meetups/Infra Self-hosting, rough consensus, & running code. Find upcoming sessions on Meetup or in #meetup-infra on Discord.
W 7:00pm Circuit Hacking Monday Learn electronics, Arduino, and/or how to solder! We have kits and Arduinos for donations, or bring your own project. Most Mondays at 7PM. More details on Meetup
W you-o-clock TRASH NIGHT Please take out all three large trash bins!! They are on the patio.

Tuesdays

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Meetings: Introduce yourself and meet the community at meetings
Tags Time Title Description
W S 5:00pm Premeeting Social Story Time Noisebridge's excellence, do-ocracy, and consensus are inspired by anarchism and a rich lore of lessons learned. Meet members, learn about membership, share ideas, ask anything and question everything!
W S 7:00pm Noisebridge Weekly Meeting (In person & online via Jitsi) - Introduce new people and events, joining, announcements, discussions, and consensus. Come express what you think about what's going on with your space!
W 7:00pm San Francisco Writers Workshop Free drop-in writers workshop, get feedback and critique! Located on the first floor hackitorium.

Wednesdays

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Gamebridge: Learn, mentor and cowork game development on Wednesdays
Tags Time Title Description
W S 5:00pm - 7:00pm Tablebridge tabletop gaming & hobbying for playing and designing boardgames, RPGs, wargames and mini painting hobbying.
W 6:00pm - 9:00pm Woodhacking Wednesday "Have a woodworking project in mind but you don't know where to get started? This is a good time to come ask questions, get some help, and ideas from other woodworkers. Everyone is welcome..." Confirm dates with Meetup
W S 7:00pm - 9:00pm Gamebridge game development mentoring & coworking meetup for gamedev beginners and indies alike.


Thursdays

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Five Minutes of Fame: 10 5 min talks every third Thursday!
Tags Time Title Description
1st 7:00pm - 10:00pm Indiebridge Showcase Throwdown Thursdays Indie Game Showcases & Game Tournaments for casual-friendly competition in console & PC games like Smash Brothers, Halo, Quake, Marathon, etc.
2nd 6:00pm-8:00pm Tablebridge Tablebridge tabletop gaming & design (board/card/miniature/rpg/party/ARG/etc).
2nd 8:00pm - 9:30pm DC415 Defcon 415 Security on 2nd Thursdays: Informal meetup group about all things security related.
3rd S 6:00pm-8:00pm Ten Minutes of Game a.k.a. 10MoG Five 10min talks in an hour and discussions on any gaming/gamedev topic
3rd S 8:00pm - 9:00pm Five Minutes of Fame a.k.a. 5MoF Ten 5min talks in an hour, on any topic
4th S 6:00pm-8:00pm Songbridge Music making meetup & mentoring for electronic and experimental music, soundtracks, VJing, music videos
Mar 26 8:30pm - 11:30pm School of Melee Workshop Tournament Super Smash Melee Self Improvement Workshop & Tournament: Learn to master Super Smash Melee with expert mentors LanTurN & Megaman and test what you've learned in a tournament!
4th S 8:00pm - 10:30pm Resident Electronic Music An electronic music open mic!
W you-o-clock TRASH NIGHT Please take out all three large trash bins!! They are on the patio.

Fridays

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Swift language mentoring & co-working meetup All experience levels welcome!
Tags Time Title Description
W 9:00am - 5:00pm Hack on Noisebridge! a good open time for cleaning 'n re-organizing the physical space. Coffee and Donuts on a first-come first-served basis! See #facilities-aka... channel on the Discord

Saturdays

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Godot Meetup Gamedev workshop & networking for users of the Godot game engine. Ask the organizers for one of these stickers!
Tags Time Title Description
1st 2:00pm - 5:00pm Unitybridge Unity Meetup Learn Unity and cowork with fellow indies using it
2nd 2:00pm - 5:00pm Unrealbridge Unreal Meetup Learn Unreal and cowork with fellow indies using it
W 12pm-2pm Robotics Meetup Co-hack on robotics with us. Work on our group projects, or bring your own. No robotics experience required.
3rd 2:00pm - 6:00pm Godot Meetup Gamedev workshop & networking for users of the Godot game engine.
4th 2:00pm - 5:00pm Graphicsbridge graphics & engine coding meetup Custom graphics & engine development meetup & mentoring
4th 1:00pm - 3:00pm Building Guitar Pedals Workshop Come build guitar pedals or other electronic music equipment! Look for the #pedal-building channel under #events in the discord. Check the Meetup for more info and confirmed dates.
4th 4:00pm - 7:00pm Decentralized Web Presentations and networking for those interested in weaving a decentralized web.
W 8pm Noisebridge Cinema!

Sundays

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Laser: Get trained to use the mighty Kaitan laser cutter on Sundays
Tags Time Title Description
W 12:00pm - 1:30pm 3D Printing Class Learn how to use a 3D printer
W 2:00pm - 4:00pm Laser Cutter safety training Get certified to use the laser cutter (limited availability)
2nd 2:00pm - 3:00pm Fabrication 101 2nd Wood Shop Sundays class on safety and basic techniques
W 4:00pm - 8:00pm Spacebridge Weekly Meeting Noisebridge's resident space program. Meetup page. (Sometimes we watch a politically-related movie around 7:30)

Other Bay Area Consortium of Hackerspaces Events

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Non-weekly
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a casual monthly event dedicated to working on the space or relevant projects and building community. This is a great time to get feedback or help on any projects you have been considering that center around the space, culture, and infrastructure of Noisebridge. You can also help with existing projects and find out ways to get involved.

Project Updates

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Miloh, we got a lot of LED signs from Hacker Dojo, and they are now operational We need 5 volt /3 amp supplies for them.

Consensus items

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(Add any new items for consensus to the Current Consensus Items page.)

Discussion Items

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Al Sweigart would like to talk dirty.

Danny would like to propose for consensus paying someone to clean on a monthly basis.

Danny would like to meta-discuss the structure of the meeting.

Finally, Danny would like to mention a chat he had with the Free School folks.

Someone would like to anonymously point out that Free School and friends have turned the space under the laser room into their personal belonging storage for the past month or so (go check it now, it's a Noiserat nest heaven up in there!). Personal as in clothing, personal hygiene products, items one would normally store in a place they're living out of. Considering that it's illegal for anyone to live at 2169 Mission due to our lease and the city zoning code, does Noisebridge as a collective want people keeping their personal belongings (in this instance things you'd normal keep with you traveling or at your home) in the space? Additionally since such items are being left at the space, concern to their security and well being should be voiced considering Noisebridge as a collected sees property like this as automatic donated to the nonprofit, which was outlined in previous meetings. Or you could just delete this discussion item since I currently lack the energy (backbone?) to debating such things on my own but would like to see some action taken by the group.


Actual discussion:

Al would like to talk about filth. Noisebridge is very dirty so let's think of ways to get it less filthy

Danny proposes Noisebridge funds to pay someone to clean it on a monthly basis

Liz: It wouldn't help with daily level of filth but might be a good deep cleaning.

Miloh: What about setting a cap of how much $ we would spend on cleaning per month and for how long. What would we want done - we would have to describe what needs doing.

Didn't we have a spending freeze? No one remembers.

"If we don't remember, and we don't bother to look it up, then we can just ignore it"

Question from Mike about washing machine and dryer. Al says there is a bag of towels once a week or so and he takes it to a laundromat and washes it.

Will: Started a cleaning fund pledge page, didn't get many pledges.

Claudia brought soeone in quote for the bathroom cleaning. Do we need bathroom cleaning?

Liz: spec out the jobs really well on signs, have spot to sign up and say you did it with the date. Describe job, what it means to do it, time estimate, supplies needed.

Will: hire someone privately and see what difference it makes.

Al: if it would be easier to hire a member then let's try that.

Aestetix: Have a list of things to do, dates like with the bathroom cleaning. It's a gentle reminder.

Miloh: Annoyed because we already have these lists (somewhere) And wants to just hire someone. We keep talking about it.

Aestetix objects to the idea of paid positions within Noisebridge.

Sebastian says he had a cron job, every member had to do 1 hour of cleaning per year, the cron job would send out that it needs to be done. What if all members agree to do X hours per time unit.)

We have many more people that use the space than that are official members. Maybe 10% are members.

Liz commits to write job descriptions and print them tomorrow and put them up. Aestetix and Will are going to help. Liz is going to just buy a laminating machine.

Will wants someone to just come mop the floor.

Danny proposes we do a one-off deep clean of the entire space. What would the person do? How much? we need a quote.

Will brings up donating. What about if on Monday nights, have someone walk around with a donation jar at crowded times and try to raise money.

Miloh thinks it is offputting to have the donation jar right in the center of an activity.

Danny says he will go around begging for donations during Monday nights.

People keeping their stuff in the laser room, clothes and bathroom stuff as if someone's person's belongings. Under stairwell, under laser cutter, etc. Other people are asking them not do keep their personal stuff here in that way. Al left some signs on their things asking people to move the stuff, with his email address for them to contact

It's illegal for people to live here.

John says he checked the zoning law and there is nothing about sleeping in a space it is about residence.

Aestetix says it's more about the social nuisance.

Cynthia: the electronic door is often not locked. So maybe it is good that people are here in the night to guard the space.

General groans around the room that we don't want to hash out this whole "sleeping at noisebridge" issue again right now, omg.

Is any of this a sense that the free school is a sort of "hippie problem" (anonymous note ) Are any of them members? Are they donating? Are they cleaning up after themselves? Do they talk to people?

Danny adds that no one had asked them to donate or be members until he asked them the other day, and one person immediately signed up in the membership binder.

Miloh says there is a general problem keeping personal stuff under the DJ room.

Aestetix: can we describe what the issues are individually and address them rather than identifying a group and blaming them?

Sebastian talks about projects in Germany and how they asked the "freeloading" projects to donate and give back to the space that provides the infrastructure.

Danny: Raised this issue because he wonders if we have some way for an institution to "become a member" . What do we think is a reasonable way to ask them to integrate or participate or donate in a greater way?

Miloh: There would be some people we would be tempted to block.

Aestetix: can an organization block consensus.

MIloh: has gotten to know them and would like to get to know them more but it's been difficult to do.

Liz: But how can the rest of us learn about this or help, if this is a general known problem?

Will: people are showing up and there are actual individuals and behaviors we want to change. Not about another organization.

Danny: what are the bad behaviors?

Will: When people stash stuff here, use the kitchen as personal dinner making and make a mess and they leave their dishes and the food out.

Danny: But that is that the kitchen is getting used a lot more. And that is good. We just need to adjust. Maybe that's not the problem.

Danny: what can we do to talk with them, and what would we ask them to do?

Aestetix: we should feel free to go up to people and say This violated my personal boundary and i would prefer that you do it differently.

Al did a really good thing rather than make it "noisebridge rule" talk about how the behavior is offensive.

Danny: We do have a scaling problem with communication in general so let's not scapegoat a group or assume that everyone who does something objectionable is part of that group.

Miloh: Had conversation with Jonah and others about some activities not being really good for Noisebridge, like martial arts, yoga, and they didn't do that. But they do have Qi Gong classes.

Miloh: If an organized group comes in and wants to do stuff here, let's sit down and have a meeting with them right away! To establish what might work and what might not.

Danny: Some people really like them and what they do.

Let's be clear about this on the discuss list and also email the Free school people.

Baycon guy shows up with a check! YAY BAYCON!

End of Meeting

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