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= Introductions =
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= Instructions =
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to explain''' [[Noisebridge_Vision|what Noisebridge is about]]:


Congratulations and/or condolences! You're reading this because you're participating in a meeting of Noisebridge!
Trent - An imaginary future from the past that people believe existed from 1995 to 2001


Meetings should be limited to an hour when possible. Shorter is fine, but avoid rushing.
<blockquote>Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."</blockquote>
* Introduce any experimental or unusual moderation techniques that may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
** What's your name
** What do you do
** What do you maintain at Noisebridge?
** if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?


You should read this instructional section thoroughly, and treat them as a guideline for how to host a meeting of Noisebridge. There are three ingredients to an [[Excellent]] meeting: A number of note takers, some facilitators, and participants.
Trent (he/him), Living in my cyber future by buying things/consumerism


Meetings are just one of the tools used at Noisebridge to create net forward progress on whatever it is we're all trying to do. Meetings aren't the only way to make decisions or have discussions, and in fact its usually a much better idea to talk about things outside the meeting before dragging the entire community kicking and screaming into it.
Lizzie (she/her), Audio electronics and music and computer security


== Note Takers ==
Darryl (they/them), Functional programming and laser stuff and teach laser stuff
# Confirm last meeting was saved
# Take new notes
# Save and share the notes at the end of the meeting (instructions at the bottom).


== Facilitators ==
J (he/she) - Kane from kung fu, roams earth, solves problems.


There are generally two kinds of facilitator roles at a Noisebridge meeting:
Paddy (he/him) - regular visitor.


* Stack taker - Useful when a lot of folks want to hop on the discussion stack. This gives everyone a turn to have their feelings heard. Usually only works when there is exactly one stack taker.
Ryan (He/ElJefe)- does game dev, enjoys hanging out at Noisebridge
* Moderators - Keeps the meeting moving and prevents everyone from wasting too much time on one subject. Anyone is free to pick up moderation and move the meeting along.


In general, moderators should:
Marco (he) - building a search engine for (code learning?) resources
* Understand the structure of Noisebridge [[consensus|decision-making]]
* Make sure everyone gets a chance to speak.
* Speak only minimally yourself.
* Keep the meeting moving, and avoid getting bogged down.
* Identify discussion items, arrange times limits for talking about each item.
* Identify and summarize consensus, suggest things that need to be done.
* '''Get the [[membership binder]] and ensure that it is returned safely.'''


== Participants ==
Zach (he) - likes to build things, learn things, meet new people, and help out noisebridge (and move it if that's what's going on)


Everyone at a Noisebridge meeting who has consented to participating in one is a participant!
Rich (he) - likes to hack around, playing w/ an rpi currently. Making real things w/ hims programming knowledge


* Say your name before you talk.
Lucas - likes networking. Been here a few times before
* Remain on-topic, and speak as concisely as possible.
* Assist the note-taker with any links or corrections that are needed.
* Remain respectful of other participants, their time, and the consensus and moderation process.


Kelly (she/her) - does infosec and 3d printing stuff.


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Cole (he) - makes robots
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These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge]. Date: FIXME THE DATE HERE Note-taker: FIXME YOUR NAME HERE; Moderators: FIXME THEIR NAME HERE.
Kevin (they/them) - likes microcontroller stuff, is helping out w/ circuit hacking mondays
* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''


== Meeting Summary ==
Patrick (he/him) - fight computer security for a living
FIXME FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New philanthropists:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:


= Introductions =
Scotty (he/him) - writing memory back to permanent storage. it's super great. He even remembers people.
 
= Short announcements and events =


* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to explain''' [[Noisebridge_Vision|what Noisebridge is about]]:
* Darryl - functional programming talk tomorrow by one of the creators of Haskell - it's going to be rad
<blockquote>Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."</blockquote>
* Ryan - currently making some makerspaces over at SF city college and would love input from others after the meeting
* Introduce any experimental or unusual moderation techniques that may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
* Patrick - New Space working group meeting on hopefully every Saturday, 6pm now to deal w/ relocation and/or dealing w/ legal stuff to stay here (skipping Thanksgiving weekend Saturday), slack channel is #new-space
* Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
* Kelly - Thanksgiving potluck! Sign up on the whiteboard by the entrance!
** What's your name
* Scotty - New microscope! From China! Plug it in, play with it, have fun! And be sure to re-cover w/ the dust cover. Can be used for anything, not just electronics! Has a camera and HDMI output, so hook it up to a TV!
** What do you do
* This Saturday (18 Nov), Plastic Manufacturing for Women/Unmen, taught by Ruth! Details on meetup too
** What do you maintain at Noisebridge?
** if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?


= Short announcements and events =
* Cool new projects? Something you'd like people to know? Say now, but keep it short! One or two sentences please!
* Any happenings at the space of which members should be made aware.
* Don't hog everyone's time since we all just want to hack!


= Safe Space =
= Safe Space =


'''Note:''' This section is experimental.  We discussed it at [[Meeting_Notes_2016_06_28]]. We're going to try it for the next meeting, and see how it goes, and then discuss in the discussion section how it went, and how we'd like to tweak it.
* Darryl - we want people to be as comfortable as possible in the space, so when topics or behavior in the space make people uncomfortable they are within their right to ask that it stop. This doesn't translate into topics being off-limits, it just means that you should be considerate both to those around you and also the people that you're with. If you're uncomfortable you can find someone at Noisebridge that you trust or mention it in the #space-guardians channel. If you're comfortable doing so you can also ask someone to leave.
* Lizzie - sometimes it's not easy or clear asking someone to leave and so you can ask one of the people with their hands raised to help you out.  
 
J
 
Scotty
 
Darryl
 
Lizzie
 
Zach


Noisebridge is a safe space.  '''Invite a volunteer to describe''' what that means.
Kevin


Some specific points you might prompt the group to touch on, if it doesn't happen naturally:
Ryan
* What to do if you feel uncomfortable.
 
* Noisebridge strives to be radically inclusive. What does that mean?
Trent
* Noisebridge has an antiharassment policy. What does that mean?
 
Trent: Victoria likes to say: It's ok to talk about stuff even if its controversial, involves violence, etc. but just like how in the woodshop you'd tell people before using a loud tool so they don't damage their ears, you should also tell people around you when talking about disturbing topics, etc.


= Participation =
= Participation =


Invite a knowledgable volunteer to describe who can participate at Noisebridge, including:
* Darryl - everyone can participate at Noisebridge
* Describe how to get an rfid key for the door system
* Scotty - but we also chat online right?
* Describe how to get access to slack
* Darryl - yep we have a Slack and the best way to get access is to just hang around a bit and get to know people. Once you know someone they're likely to invite you anyway. There's also #noisebridge on Freenode which is mostly empty.
* J - great way to get to know people is to show up to classes and events because most of the people get into Noisebridge this way, it's how they start their participation
* Darryl - works for me - came to CHM
* Scotty - and how to you get access anytime you want? One of the ways is becoming a Philanthropist.


= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe''' [[Philanthropist/Pledge|Philantropy]], and the application process.
 
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Any applicants must have their sponsor present to vouch for them.
* Paddy - someone who contributes to the space, who is recommended by a member
* If there are no objections, they're a philanthropist! Their pledge should be handed over to the [[Secretary]] posthaste, after which their token will be updated to give them the 24/7 access they've earned(?)
* Trent - how do you lose access?
* Paddy - being unexcellent, stopping your dues.
* Trent - we have auto-hiatus these days, but Members who have cause can revoke your Philanthropist status
* Scotty - they get 24 access, and can renew 30 day tokens
* Trent - don't let people borrow your key, that's one way to lose it.
* Scotty - we have Paddy's application tonight. Sponsored by J. Any objections? ... Questions?
* J - I suggested that he should apply because he works a lot for the space in particular late at night. Coming for at least two years, helped with Makerfaire, CHM, metalshop, helped build the metalshop tables. Helped us get the vending machines, the kiln. Gone above and beyond the call of duty and would like to be able to hack here late. And so I recommended philanthropy.  
* Scotty - Cool will leave it up to you to get that sorted
~ applause for Paddy ~


= [[ Membership Binder ]] =
= [[ Membership Binder ]] =


* '''Invite a knowledgeable volunteer to describe''' [[membership]], and the application process.
* Darryl - A member is one who has gotten a neural implant so you can communicate with our lord Consenso. It's someone who has a serious commitment to the future of the space and its longeity. The big difference from Philanthropy is that you can sign off on Philanthropy or Membership applications. You can grant 30 day access and not just renew, and participate in the big C Consensus process to the fullest extent. You can remove Philanthropy status from people.
<blockquote>Being a member of Noisebridge is not like being a member of a gym or your local chess club. Anyone can come to Noisebridge to hack and learn: you don't need to be a member for that. At Noisebridge, membership is something different: it means taking responsibility and committing to help to maintain, improve, and govern Noisebridge. As a member of Noisebridge, you don't just come here to hack and learn, you actively work to improve what you see around you, help to deal with problems, and make this community and space better than it is today.</blockquote>
* Scotty - counterpoint: you don't need to be a member to do anything at Noisebridge or even to participate in a very serious way. We've had many integral people in the space who are not members, even to the point that we just assumed they were a member due to their work and awesomeness.
* Read off any names from the binder for the past month. Mark down a check or other indicator on every open application to keep track of how many weeks they've been read out.
* Darryl - yep I remember Scotty applying because people just presumed he was one. I decided it the other night when Steve pretty much filled it out for me.
* Anyone eligible to join this week should
* Ryan - You don't need to be a member to participate in consensus discussions, or to propose something.  
** introduce themselves,
* Scotty - the weight that you have in the consensus process is not strictly related to being a member, it's more about your participation in the community.
** answer any questions members may have for them, then
** leave the area in search of gifts (traditionally beer and a lime, or cookies) for the rest of the group.
* The rest of the meeting should reach consensus on whether they may join.
* Remember to applaud new members when they return.




= Financial Report =
= Financial Report =
* Funds in bank:
 
* Noisetor (See the bulletpoints at the bottom of http://noisetor.net/finances/#summary):
TODO
* Any other details by those participating in handling our financials


= Consensus =
= Consensus =
* Parick - Outside these walls in the default world, we have great ways of making decisons that usually result in the winning side very happy, and everyone else sad. Consensus is the decision process that NB uses to make big decisions, like where should we move, should we sign a lease, what rules we have and to change.  For everything else, we have doocracy and don't need to have elongated discussions about it. It's a decision process where we bring proposals to the meeting and solidify them into a proposal.  We discuss them to solidfy them until it doesn't change for two meetings.  Then it comes up for consensus.  T?he only proposal that will pass consensus is one that all the members agree to.  If you have a proposal comes up that you disagree to, you have an obligation to make a counterproposal that both you and the person propsing can live with. There is the ablity to block consesnsu.  This is a nuclear option.  It's saying "if you let this pass, fuck you, I quit noisebridge.  This thing will cost the community my participation in NB."  It usually doesn't get used.
Everyone is free to participate in the consensus process, and the molding of the process.
Concensus proposals are rare.  Proposals are on the wiki.  99.X% of decisions don't need big C consensus, but it exists for when we need it.


* '''invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on consensus process]]
* '''invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give '''[[Consensus Process|a brief primer on consensus process]]
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''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''


Patrick: I propose NB establishes two separate funds for possible moving.
That Noisebridge establish two new funds.
CONSENSUS ITEM TEXT
1. A holding fee fund of $5,000 which will be used to "hold" properties forlease or sale that Noisebridge might consider in the future. These funds wouldallow us time to engage in a full capital C consensus process relating to the ultimate lease or purchase decision about our new space.
2. A moving fund. This fund will collect money specifically for the costs associated in moving, renting, or purchasing a new space for Noisebridge. Should an agreement be reached with the current landlords at 2169 this money would be directed either to rent or to building improvements as required.
END CONSENSUS ITEM TEXT
Patrick 1. alloc 5k from general fund into a holding fee fund, b/c in the process of doing the final consensus process, we might need to put some money down to prevent the location from going to some other party. Unlikely that it'll be exhausted, but is prudent.
 
    Lizzie: Can we have a process for when this will be spent?
    Patrick: Probably just little c consensus?
    Lizzie/Trent: Can we spell that out?
    Patrick: It seems unlikely that we'll just arbitrarily spend it
    Trent: Good opportunity to record the way of doing things that is historically verbal
    Lizzie: Good to head off an argument over how many spaces we spend this on, etc.
    Scotty: Whats the range usually?
    Trent: Victoria said she used 1k for a personal apt, at least
 
2. Moving fund. Looking at many options for financing leasing or buying. There'll be lots of fees, costs, to do this. This fund would be where we collect money donated specifically for the purposes of moving, etc. incl. legal fees to lawyers to figure out our current situation. This fund will start empty or w/ nominal amt for current legal rep. Will add a project to donate.noisebridge.net. If the fund is not expended and we get a lease, we can convert to rent money or general fund.
  Scotty: Maybe we shouldn't call it a moving fund b/c its for more than just moving costs, but also possibly buying a building, legal fees, etc.
 
  Trent: Is the purpose of this being separate b/c its going to be quite large ultimately?
  Patrick: Yes
  Trent: We should spell this out in the proposal text, that this is the purpose of it, and why it's separate.
  Trent: Also will this be specifically earmarked for moving??
  Patrick: Yes
Trent is apathetic.


= Discussion =
= Discussion =


Longer discussion items belong here.  This is the last part of the meeting so that people can break off and continue their discussion afterwards.
Longer discussion items belong here.  This is the last part of the meeting so that people can break off and continue their discussion afterwards.


== Discussion Items ==
== Discussion Items ==
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If any important discussion happens, it should be happening after forward progress is made during consensus.
If any important discussion happens, it should be happening after forward progress is made during consensus.


= End of Meeting =
Ryan: Can we make a page or something on requirements or a guide for people who want to help out looking for locations for a possible new Noisebridge location? I have quite a few friends in the real estate business who've given me tips on looking around for stuff and I'm just curious what requirements we have.
 
# Return the [[membership binder]] to its rightful location.
# Discuss any items for which there was not time during the meeting.
# Enjoy the company of your fellow hacker, robot, or robothacker.
 
== Note taker posts the notes ==
# Clean and tidy the meeting notes including removing all these really verbose instructions.
# Fill out the short summary at the top listing just announcements, consensus items, discussion topics, and names of new members and philanthropists.
# Copy paste the notes to the [http://www.noisebridge.net//Next_meeting next meeting] page. (They will become [[Last meeting]] at midnight.)
# Email the meeting summary to [mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net?subject=MeetingNotes Noisebridge Discuss] and [mailto:noisebridge-announce@lists.noisebridge.net?subject=MeetingNotes Noisebridge Announce] lists.
# CC on the email treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members and philanthropists.
# Edit the [[Current_Consensus_Items|Current Consensus Items]] if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
# Edit the [[Consensus_Items_History|Consensus Items History]] if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.


== Fun things to do after ==
Patrick: That's one of the things we set out to decide on on Saturday. There werent' many controversial items.
* Reprise of the [[Hackernationale]]. [This is anarchy - we do what the wiki says!]
* [[PGP|PGP Key Signing]] could happen now (if it doesn't happen '''before''' any given Meeting).  Ask others around the space or check the [[PGP|list]] to see who wants in on the action.


J: Everything is in the wiki, slack channel (#new-space), and the Google spreadsheet


[[Category:Meeting Notes]]
Patrick: Meetings every Saturday on this, so please come.

Latest revision as of 14:00, 16 November 2017

Introductions

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Trent - An imaginary future from the past that people believe existed from 1995 to 2001

Noisebridge is a 501c3 nonprofit that provides a space for creation, collaboration, and learning about technology and creative projects. Noisebridge provides space, power tools, and infrastructure to help the public learn new skills and create cool things. Noisebridge continues to exist through and depends entirely on membership fees and donations. Our code of conduct is 'Be excellent to each other'."

  • Introduce any experimental or unusual moderation techniques that may be using during the meeting like: direct responses, limited speaking time, orderless stack, &c.
  • Round of introductions (remember, announcements come later):
    • What's your name
    • What do you do
    • What do you maintain at Noisebridge?
    • if you are new: how did you hear about Noisebridge?

Trent (he/him), Living in my cyber future by buying things/consumerism

Lizzie (she/her), Audio electronics and music and computer security

Darryl (they/them), Functional programming and laser stuff and teach laser stuff

J (he/she) - Kane from kung fu, roams earth, solves problems.

Paddy (he/him) - regular visitor.

Ryan (He/ElJefe)- does game dev, enjoys hanging out at Noisebridge

Marco (he) - building a search engine for (code learning?) resources

Zach (he) - likes to build things, learn things, meet new people, and help out noisebridge (and move it if that's what's going on)

Rich (he) - likes to hack around, playing w/ an rpi currently. Making real things w/ hims programming knowledge

Lucas - likes networking. Been here a few times before

Kelly (she/her) - does infosec and 3d printing stuff.

Cole (he) - makes robots

Kevin (they/them) - likes microcontroller stuff, is helping out w/ circuit hacking mondays

Patrick (he/him) - fight computer security for a living

Scotty (he/him) - writing memory back to permanent storage. it's super great. He even remembers people.

Short announcements and events

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  • Darryl - functional programming talk tomorrow by one of the creators of Haskell - it's going to be rad
  • Ryan - currently making some makerspaces over at SF city college and would love input from others after the meeting
  • Patrick - New Space working group meeting on hopefully every Saturday, 6pm now to deal w/ relocation and/or dealing w/ legal stuff to stay here (skipping Thanksgiving weekend Saturday), slack channel is #new-space
  • Kelly - Thanksgiving potluck! Sign up on the whiteboard by the entrance!
  • Scotty - New microscope! From China! Plug it in, play with it, have fun! And be sure to re-cover w/ the dust cover. Can be used for anything, not just electronics! Has a camera and HDMI output, so hook it up to a TV!
  • This Saturday (18 Nov), Plastic Manufacturing for Women/Unmen, taught by Ruth! Details on meetup too


Safe Space

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  • Darryl - we want people to be as comfortable as possible in the space, so when topics or behavior in the space make people uncomfortable they are within their right to ask that it stop. This doesn't translate into topics being off-limits, it just means that you should be considerate both to those around you and also the people that you're with. If you're uncomfortable you can find someone at Noisebridge that you trust or mention it in the #space-guardians channel. If you're comfortable doing so you can also ask someone to leave.
  • Lizzie - sometimes it's not easy or clear asking someone to leave and so you can ask one of the people with their hands raised to help you out.

J

Scotty

Darryl

Lizzie

Zach

Kevin

Ryan

Trent

Trent: Victoria likes to say: It's ok to talk about stuff even if its controversial, involves violence, etc. but just like how in the woodshop you'd tell people before using a loud tool so they don't damage their ears, you should also tell people around you when talking about disturbing topics, etc.

Participation

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  • Darryl - everyone can participate at Noisebridge
  • Scotty - but we also chat online right?
  • Darryl - yep we have a Slack and the best way to get access is to just hang around a bit and get to know people. Once you know someone they're likely to invite you anyway. There's also #noisebridge on Freenode which is mostly empty.
  • J - great way to get to know people is to show up to classes and events because most of the people get into Noisebridge this way, it's how they start their participation
  • Darryl - works for me - came to CHM
  • Scotty - and how to you get access anytime you want? One of the ways is becoming a Philanthropist.
  • Paddy - someone who contributes to the space, who is recommended by a member
  • Trent - how do you lose access?
  • Paddy - being unexcellent, stopping your dues.
  • Trent - we have auto-hiatus these days, but Members who have cause can revoke your Philanthropist status
  • Scotty - they get 24 access, and can renew 30 day tokens
  • Trent - don't let people borrow your key, that's one way to lose it.
  • Scotty - we have Paddy's application tonight. Sponsored by J. Any objections? ... Questions?
  • J - I suggested that he should apply because he works a lot for the space in particular late at night. Coming for at least two years, helped with Makerfaire, CHM, metalshop, helped build the metalshop tables. Helped us get the vending machines, the kiln. Gone above and beyond the call of duty and would like to be able to hack here late. And so I recommended philanthropy.
  • Scotty - Cool will leave it up to you to get that sorted

~ applause for Paddy ~

  • Darryl - A member is one who has gotten a neural implant so you can communicate with our lord Consenso. It's someone who has a serious commitment to the future of the space and its longeity. The big difference from Philanthropy is that you can sign off on Philanthropy or Membership applications. You can grant 30 day access and not just renew, and participate in the big C Consensus process to the fullest extent. You can remove Philanthropy status from people.
  • Scotty - counterpoint: you don't need to be a member to do anything at Noisebridge or even to participate in a very serious way. We've had many integral people in the space who are not members, even to the point that we just assumed they were a member due to their work and awesomeness.
  • Darryl - yep I remember Scotty applying because people just presumed he was one. I decided it the other night when Steve pretty much filled it out for me.
  • Ryan - You don't need to be a member to participate in consensus discussions, or to propose something.
  • Scotty - the weight that you have in the consensus process is not strictly related to being a member, it's more about your participation in the community.


Financial Report

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TODO

Consensus

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  • Parick - Outside these walls in the default world, we have great ways of making decisons that usually result in the winning side very happy, and everyone else sad. Consensus is the decision process that NB uses to make big decisions, like where should we move, should we sign a lease, what rules we have and to change. For everything else, we have doocracy and don't need to have elongated discussions about it. It's a decision process where we bring proposals to the meeting and solidify them into a proposal. We discuss them to solidfy them until it doesn't change for two meetings. Then it comes up for consensus. T?he only proposal that will pass consensus is one that all the members agree to. If you have a proposal comes up that you disagree to, you have an obligation to make a counterproposal that both you and the person propsing can live with. There is the ablity to block consesnsu. This is a nuclear option. It's saying "if you let this pass, fuck you, I quit noisebridge. This thing will cost the community my participation in NB." It usually doesn't get used.

Everyone is free to participate in the consensus process, and the molding of the process.

Concensus proposals are rare. Proposals are on the wiki. 99.X% of decisions don't need big C consensus, but it exists for when we need it.

  • invite a knowledgeable volunteer to give a brief primer on consensus process
  • It is important that everyone in attendance understands at least:
    • Blocking with verbalized principled objections.
    • Why we use consensus over other approaches to decision making.
    • How consensus isn't a legislative process
    • Why consensus isn't applicable to some things like conflict resolution, resolution of time sinks, and the like.

(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the Consensus Items History page.)

(Add any new items for consensus to the Current Consensus Items page.)

Patrick: I propose NB establishes two separate funds for possible moving.

That Noisebridge establish two new funds.

CONSENSUS ITEM TEXT

1. A holding fee fund of $5,000 which will be used to "hold" properties forlease or sale that Noisebridge might consider in the future. These funds wouldallow us time to engage in a full capital C consensus process relating to the ultimate lease or purchase decision about our new space.

2. A moving fund. This fund will collect money specifically for the costs associated in moving, renting, or purchasing a new space for Noisebridge. Should an agreement be reached with the current landlords at 2169 this money would be directed either to rent or to building improvements as required.

END CONSENSUS ITEM TEXT

Patrick 1. alloc 5k from general fund into a holding fee fund, b/c in the process of doing the final consensus process, we might need to put some money down to prevent the location from going to some other party. Unlikely that it'll be exhausted, but is prudent.

   Lizzie: Can we have a process for when this will be spent?
   Patrick: Probably just little c consensus?
   Lizzie/Trent: Can we spell that out?
   Patrick: It seems unlikely that we'll just arbitrarily spend it
   Trent: Good opportunity to record the way of doing things that is historically verbal
   Lizzie: Good to head off an argument over how many spaces we spend this on, etc.
   Scotty: Whats the range usually?
   Trent: Victoria said she used 1k for a personal apt, at least
 

2. Moving fund. Looking at many options for financing leasing or buying. There'll be lots of fees, costs, to do this. This fund would be where we collect money donated specifically for the purposes of moving, etc. incl. legal fees to lawyers to figure out our current situation. This fund will start empty or w/ nominal amt for current legal rep. Will add a project to donate.noisebridge.net. If the fund is not expended and we get a lease, we can convert to rent money or general fund.

 Scotty: Maybe we shouldn't call it a moving fund b/c its for more than just moving costs, but also possibly buying a building, legal fees, etc.
 
 Trent: Is the purpose of this being separate b/c its going to be quite large ultimately?
 Patrick: Yes
 Trent: We should spell this out in the proposal text, that this is the purpose of it, and why it's separate.
 Trent: Also will this be specifically earmarked for moving??
 Patrick: Yes

Trent is apathetic.

Discussion

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Longer discussion items belong here. This is the last part of the meeting so that people can break off and continue their discussion afterwards.

Discussion Items

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If any important discussion happens, it should be happening after forward progress is made during consensus.

Ryan: Can we make a page or something on requirements or a guide for people who want to help out looking for locations for a possible new Noisebridge location? I have quite a few friends in the real estate business who've given me tips on looking around for stuff and I'm just curious what requirements we have.

Patrick: That's one of the things we set out to decide on on Saturday. There werent' many controversial items.

J: Everything is in the wiki, slack channel (#new-space), and the Google spreadsheet

Patrick: Meetings every Saturday on this, so please come.