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    These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge].
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 653rd Meeting of Noisebridge].


    [[Meeting_Notes_2021_11_02|Previous Meeting]]
[[Meeting_Notes_2021_11_02|Previous Meeting]]
    [[Meeting_Notes_2021_11_16|Next Meeting]]
[[Meeting_Notes_2021_11_16|Next Meeting]]
    Note-taker: TJ
Note-taker: TJ
    Moderators: Woz
Moderators: Woz


    = Introductions =
= Introductions =


    * Dave - he /him - do electronics stuff?
* Dave - he /him - do electronics stuff?


    * Starscream - in online class
* Starscream - in online class


    * Ronald - likes coding and stuff, wrote Tetris  
* Ronald - likes coding and stuff, wrote Tetris  


    * Tyler - he/him - functional programming
* Tyler - he/him - functional programming


    * Sibas - likes to break things and put them back together
* Sibas - likes to break things and put them back together


    * Steve - he/him do things from time to time, physics, ML, tech art, etc.
* Steve - he/him do things from time to time, physics, ML, tech art, etc.


    * Wold - he/him nothing in particular
* Wold - he/him nothing in particular


    * Les - she/they - Python, ML, interested in the human brain but don't know much about it.
* Les - she/they - Python, ML, interested in the human brain but don't know much about it.


    * TJ - he/they - Robots and ML and stuff
* TJ - he/they - Robots and ML and stuff


    * JD - he/him/they/fucknuts - right now doing stuff with shop in back woodwork, metalwork, would alos like to d
* JD - he/him/they/fucknuts - right now doing stuff with shop in back woodwork, metalwork, would alos like to d


    * Leon - any pronouns - artificial gneral intelligence, high perf computing, networks, os's  
* Leon - any pronouns - artificial gneral intelligence, high perf computing, networks, os's  


    * LX: Gamebridge / VRbridge teacher, soon to reassemble our VR holodeck
* LX: Gamebridge / VRbridge teacher, soon to reassemble our VR holodeck




    * and so on
* and so on




    = Short announcements and events =
= Short announcements and events =


    '''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''
'''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''


    TJ- Yesterday was inception of newest edition oc CHM, noah was doing it.  If you want to learn about arduino, please come.  Robot is doing wired wednesday!   
TJ- Yesterday was inception of newest edition oc CHM, noah was doing it.  If you want to learn about arduino, please come.  Robot is doing wired wednesday!   


    Attend 10 consecutive sessions to build an affordable web controlled robotic arm. The class repeats each quarter.
Attend 10 consecutive sessions to build an affordable web controlled robotic arm. The class repeats each quarter.


    Robot
Robot


    Wired Wobotics, every wensday.  5PM, Review session 6PM, Class 8PM, Advanced Lab.  Attend 10 consecutive sessions to build an affordable web controlled robotic arm. The class repeats each quarter.
Wired Wobotics, every wensday.  5PM, Review session 6PM, Class 8PM, Advanced Lab.  Attend 10 consecutive sessions to build an affordable web controlled robotic arm. The class repeats each quarter.




    Les - Work party at the Omni Commons (sister hacker space) in Oakland this Saturday (11/13) from 12-5PM. Will be patching the roof and preparing the space for in-person events by December
Les - Work party at the Omni Commons (sister hacker space) in Oakland this Saturday (11/13) from 12-5PM. Will be patching the roof and preparing the space for in-person events by December


    Steve - no other noisebridgers showed up last time, maybe some more will come in the future! Great time to meet people, from 12-5.
Steve - no other noisebridgers showed up last time, maybe some more will come in the future! Great time to meet people, from 12-5.


    Les - It's actually a lot of fun, no Tom Sawyer'ing. Highly recommend
Les - It's actually a lot of fun, no Tom Sawyer'ing. Highly recommend






    Mediation work - Mark is available to speak with ppl, if anyone has time.
Mediation work - Mark is available to speak with ppl, if anyone has time.


    TJ - WE've talked with him on friday
TJ - WE've talked with him on friday




    = Excellence =
= Excellence =


    '''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''




    (What does that mean?  How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this?  Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is?  This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)
(What does that mean?  How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this?  Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is?  This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)




    JD - you wanna be the person you want other people to be. NB is based on excellence, enough said.
JD - you wanna be the person you want other people to be. NB is based on excellence, enough said.




    P - Leave  a trail of smiling faces where you go
P - Leave  a trail of smiling faces where you go




    TJ - Noah and Robert for starting CHM twice this week
TJ - Noah and Robert for starting CHM twice this week


    Dave - Leon for helping out on purge shelf. Leon responded to a call for help
Dave - Leon for helping out on purge shelf. Leon responded to a call for help




    - Would like to commend Klaus for rearranging white board and tables downstairs, and the pi table set up.
- Would like to commend Klaus for rearranging white board and tables downstairs, and the pi table set up.




    Lovi, TJ, and John spent some time on Friday night reorganizing shelves
Lovi, TJ, and John spent some time on Friday night reorganizing shelves








    = Participation =
= Participation =


    '''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''
'''Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.'''




    (What does that mean?  How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)
(What does that mean?  How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)




    Dave - anyone who cames in door is participant at NB. If you want to do something, do it. Feel free to join our online communities. Discord / Discuss can easily be signed up for. If I see you for a couple days, I'll give you invite to slack. Anyone can get access to the space. After a little bit, we can give you 30-day access on your clipper card.
Dave - anyone who cames in door is participant at NB. If you want to do something, do it. Feel free to join our online communities. Discord / Discuss can easily be signed up for. If I see you for a couple days, I'll give you invite to slack. Anyone can get access to the space. After a little bit, we can give you 30-day access on your clipper card.








    = Do-ocratic Task Board =
= Do-ocratic Task Board =


    Participation also means doing stuff to contribute to the space. Pick some tasks from github, from what needs to be done around you, or whatever, and see if someone will sign up to work on that task. Anyone can sign up and it's a great way to show you are contributing!
Participation also means doing stuff to contribute to the space. Pick some tasks from github, from what needs to be done around you, or whatever, and see if someone will sign up to work on that task. Anyone can sign up and it's a great way to show you are contributing!






    = [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=
= [[Philanthropist|Philanthropists]]=


    '''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''
'''A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.'''




    (What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)
(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)




    Steve - anyone can be participant. If you want 24 h access, give us money. Need to know how to open space up and shut down. Need to be on your teip letting ppl in, asking people to leave. Wanted ppl to be around for a month, but recently has been shorter, because $$$.
Steve - anyone can be participant. If you want 24 h access, give us money. Need to know how to open space up and shut down. Need to be on your teip letting ppl in, asking people to leave. Wanted ppl to be around for a month, but recently has been shorter, because $$$.




    Philanthropist - Nikon - will be a little bit longer
Philanthropist - Nikon - will be a little bit longer




    Chris Albough - Sponsored by Lizzard - Not here , maybe save that for later...  
Chris Albough - Sponsored by Lizzard - Not here , maybe save that for later...  






    = [[ Membership Binder ]] =
= [[ Membership Binder ]] =


    '''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''
'''Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.'''




    (What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)
(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)




    Wolf - everyone is a small-M member, but big-M members is more responsibility. You can block consensus items, which is a big thing to do. Can also sponsor ppl for philanthropy.
Wolf - everyone is a small-M member, but big-M members is more responsibility. You can block consensus items, which is a big thing to do. Can also sponsor ppl for philanthropy.




    Leon - it's basically more responsibility
Leon - it's basically more responsibility




    Potential member - Dave
Potential member - Dave




    Steve - I'm worried you could blow up on other people, so there's a small amount of danger
Steve - I'm worried you could blow up on other people, so there's a small amount of danger




    Dave - thanks for the honesty. I think fineline is right
Dave - thanks for the honesty. I think fineline is right




    TJ - no he's not, Dave sets the rules here
TJ - no he's not, Dave sets the rules here




    fineline - u right tho
fineline - u right tho




    JD - The times you get short, it's been a buildup, more calculated. It is a conscious decision to do that.
JD - The times you get short, it's been a buildup, more calculated. It is a conscious decision to do that.




    Dave - I've recognized I've been unexcellent, and I'll need to work on it. I'll need to get upset about things
Dave - I've recognized I've been unexcellent, and I'll need to work on it. I'll need to get upset about things




    Steve - like the lock, Dave got angry, but apologized the next day, which is great.
Steve - like the lock, Dave got angry, but apologized the next day, which is great.




    Dave has passed for Week 2!  
Dave has passed for Week 2!  




    = Financial Report =
= Financial Report =


    '''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''
'''Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.'''




    * Funds in bank:
* Funds in bank:


    $457k total  
$457k total  




    Sophia; prior, we had membership fees and .. . We laso had cash donations. We also had random donations from like 4 years ago, from people in Berlin.
Sophia; prior, we had membership fees and .. . We laso had cash donations. We also had random donations from like 4 years ago, from people in Berlin.




    Dave : Last time, vast majority were the $5 or less donations.  
Dave : Last time, vast majority were the $5 or less donations.  




    Sophia : No way that works mathematically.   
Sophia : No way that works mathematically.   




    TJ : overall flow / cash donations are a lot less.  
TJ : overall flow / cash donations are a lot less.  




    Sophia : we need to get money / paypal working again
Sophia : we need to get money / paypal working again




    Dave : Stripe should be working (QR code0
Dave : Stripe should be working (QR code0


    Star : You need to advertise Patreon better, I just heard of it now.
Star : You need to advertise Patreon better, I just heard of it now.




    Sophia : We do have a payment system, jstu need to advertise more (QR code and such)
Sophia : We do have a payment system, jstu need to advertise more (QR code and such)




    lxpk : We did a lot of fundraising, money + dumb luck. What we were raising money to buy building. More consistnet contributers. Have a scan of mural saying "Donate to Noisebridge!" and upload it, update it with higher amount. Do things to being in encourage ppl to become philanthropists.  
lxpk : We did a lot of fundraising, money + dumb luck. What we were raising money to buy building. More consistnet contributers. Have a scan of mural saying "Donate to Noisebridge!" and upload it, update it with higher amount. Do things to being in encourage ppl to become philanthropists.  




    Could also do another Gamebridge boot camp. We're good at fundraising, let's do it.
Could also do another Gamebridge boot camp. We're good at fundraising, let's do it.




    Sophia : every time someone comes to Noisebridge, they say "I didn't realize NB is open" . I'm not sure how to communicate it more. We're lighting up all the medias. How do we get people  
Sophia : every time someone comes to Noisebridge, they say "I didn't realize NB is open" . I'm not sure how to communicate it more. We're lighting up all the medias. How do we get people  




    lxpk : Grand reopening fundraiser
lxpk : Grand reopening fundraiser




    Nikon : Did not realize NB was open. Went to old spot, realized no longer existed, went to new spot. It will permeate over time
Nikon : Did not realize NB was open. Went to old spot, realized no longer existed, went to new spot. It will permeate over time




    Sophia : There are like mailing lists, could we send stuff out?
Sophia : There are like mailing lists, could we send stuff out?




    Dave : Liz or Danny seem like they would know.
Dave : Liz or Danny seem like they would know.




    LXPK: If make it a goal, we need to plan for  6-8 weeks, to plan it and doing well. We had a fundraising event committee.
LXPK: If make it a goal, we need to plan for  6-8 weeks, to plan it and doing well. We had a fundraising event committee.




    Dave : Just start it and say who's interested.
Dave : Just start it and say who's interested.




    JD : Perfect way to do email list, remind people that there's a pulse
JD : Perfect way to do email list, remind people that there's a pulse




    Dave : If ppl are going to old space, maybe we could do a pirate sign or something over there. Entire space is vacant, other than store, so they wouldn't mind.
Dave : If ppl are going to old space, maybe we could do a pirate sign or something over there. Entire space is vacant, other than store, so they wouldn't mind.




    Sophia : No law is enforced there, so just do it
Sophia : No law is enforced there, so just do it




    Dave : So I'm engaged in a fund to take AV system. I'll see it again. If you're interested, put in a donation, we're trying to make it easier to do meetings.  
Dave : So I'm engaged in a fund to take AV system. I'll see it again. If you're interested, put in a donation, we're trying to make it easier to do meetings.  




    Steve : I will give $50 as soon as Tyler reimburses me.  
Steve : I will give $50 as soon as Tyler reimburses me.  




    DAve : Raise your hand if Tyler owes you $$ (people raise hands). he needs help
DAve : Raise your hand if Tyler owes you $$ (people raise hands). he needs help


    If the funding is not enough, focus on scaling back, less nice mixer, less mics
If the funding is not enough, focus on scaling back, less nice mixer, less mics




    Steve: Why not wait? I will get $50  
Steve: Why not wait? I will get $50  




    Dave : Is the Internet good?
Dave : Is the Internet good?




    lxpk : way better than next week. It's at the mercy of laptops rn
lxpk : way better than next week. It's at the mercy of laptops rn




    Dave : it's a webcam mic instead of the real.  
Dave : it's a webcam mic instead of the real.  




    General community could benefit in addition to the meetings
General community could benefit in addition to the meetings




    Wolf : System that always work. People keep shuffling things around. Which is seperate from other equipment.
Wolf : System that always work. People keep shuffling things around. Which is seperate from other equipment.




    Dave: Maybe we have stumbled upon using the webcam
Dave: Maybe we have stumbled upon using the webcam






    == Fundraising Update ==
== Fundraising Update ==


    '''How's it all going'''
'''How's it all going'''




    *See upthread*
*See upthread*


    = Consensus =
= Consensus =


    '''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''
'''Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.'''




    (How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)
(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)




    Sophia 2 inds of consensus. Small-c , just ask people in the space if they're ok with that. Par tof daily exisstenc of space. Big-C, which happens on Tuesday meeting, Major changes to space. Vaccine mandate, signing lease for this space. Marked increase in number of big-C over the last several months, if you were there, you'd be familiar. Take two weeks, all Members must consent.
Sophia 2 inds of consensus. Small-c , just ask people in the space if they're ok with that. Par tof daily exisstenc of space. Big-C, which happens on Tuesday meeting, Major changes to space. Vaccine mandate, signing lease for this space. Marked increase in number of big-C over the last several months, if you were there, you'd be familiar. Take two weeks, all Members must consent.




    Etiquette is to not block consensus item unless you'd leave the space iwthout it. Only done by Members. Only 4 at the space
Etiquette is to not block consensus item unless you'd leave the space iwthout it. Only done by Members. Only 4 at the space




    Dave - there is nothing there
Dave - there is nothing there




    JD - there is a difference between unaminity and consensus, let's save that for later.
JD - there is a difference between unaminity and consensus, let's save that for later.




    lxpk - best way to handle consensus item, is to change and modify it until it passes. if everyone came to a meeting just to blcok, nothing would happen. But if you propose changes, then a more excellent item could pass.
lxpk - best way to handle consensus item, is to change and modify it until it passes. if everyone came to a meeting just to blcok, nothing would happen. But if you propose changes, then a more excellent item could pass.




    Sophia - one exapmle, consensus items were proposed, but Liz blocked this if available in any form.  
Sophia - one exapmle, consensus items were proposed, but Liz blocked this if available in any form.  


    TJ - Putting into law what was already in practices
TJ - Putting into law what was already in practices


    DAve - only one proposer, we could do more offline.
DAve - only one proposer, we could do more offline.


    Sophia - vaccine was good example. broccoli blocked, but consented with change of wording
Sophia - vaccine was good example. broccoli blocked, but consented with change of wording


   LX - https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Hosting_an_Event
   LX - https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Hosting_an_Event


    Ronald - everyone should be able to teach classes. Everyone can already, but I don't know what steps would be taken
Ronald - everyone should be able to teach classes. Everyone can already, but I don't know what steps would be taken




    TJ - just let me know  
TJ - just let me know  




    Ronald - people come the most during classes  
Ronald - people come the most during classes  




    JD - now that we do have classes, can we put out donation box for chippng in, etc. Second, how are we regulating cash donation boxes. Long time ago, there were cameras in the boxes. Is there a close down procedure
JD - now that we do have classes, can we put out donation box for chippng in, etc. Second, how are we regulating cash donation boxes. Long time ago, there were cameras in the boxes. Is there a close down procedure




    Dave - Paul and Liz have been recording cash donations, other than that, there is no official thing.  
Dave - Paul and Liz have been recording cash donations, other than that, there is no official thing.  




    Sophia - TJ could you put a chess meetup/class Fridays from 7 to 10.  
Sophia - TJ could you put a chess meetup/class Fridays from 7 to 10.  




    Nikon - we need to excuse ourselves, but have a nice evening
Nikon - we need to excuse ourselves, but have a nice evening




    Dave - Should we make a task to do donation stuff
Dave - Should we make a task to do donation stuff




    JD - if it's secured in the way TJ says, it should be ok
JD - if it's secured in the way TJ says, it should be ok




    Wolf - I wanted to mention side note on whether we have cash app or Venmo . I would like to set that up
Wolf - I wanted to mention side note on whether we have cash app or Venmo . I would like to set that up




    Dave - It could be our money pot.
Dave - It could be our money pot.




    Leon - is it Noisebridge's paypal?
Leon - is it Noisebridge's paypal?




    == [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==
== [[ Consensus Items History | Proposals from last week ]] ==


    ''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''
''(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the [[Consensus Items History]] page.)''




    == [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==
== [[ Current Consensus Items | Proposals for next week ]] ==


    ''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''
''(Add any new items for consensus to the [[Current Consensus Items]] page.)''




    = Discussion =
= Discussion =




    == Discussion Item 1 ==
== Discussion Item 1 ==


    Fundraiser
Fundraiser




    lxpk - started a page for it. Now 272 Grand Reopening on the wiki. will post link to previous fundraiser for background. Just put ideas on it, put ideas together, and it happens.any ideas for entertainment, cleaning up stuff, etc. We need to push some things to the decides, but contribute what we want
lxpk - started a page for it. Now 272 Grand Reopening on the wiki. will post link to previous fundraiser for background. Just put ideas on it, put ideas together, and it happens.any ideas for entertainment, cleaning up stuff, etc. We need to push some things to the decides, but contribute what we want


    Just missed 11th anniversary, but we skipped it due to moving
Just missed 11th anniversary, but we skipped it due to moving




lxpk - https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/272GrandReopening
lxpk - https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/272GrandReopening


    JD - need a gate.  
JD - need a gate.  




    lxpk - great to have music club here
lxpk - great to have music club here


    leon - how late
leon - how late




    Sophia - apparently at hack comedy, someone said "STFU" . That's the apparent limit. We are direclty adjacent to aparmant building
Sophia - apparently at hack comedy, someone said "STFU" . That's the apparent limit. We are direclty adjacent to aparmant building




    Dave - that's fair
Dave - that's fair




    JD - amplified, etc.  
JD - amplified, etc.  




    Dave - I think the way the space is arranged now, will work a lot better because we could convene here instead of the garage.  
Dave - I think the way the space is arranged now, will work a lot better because we could convene here instead of the garage.  




    == Discussion Item 2 ==
== Discussion Item 2 ==




    Treasurer
Treasurer




    Sophia: Tyler seems to be busy. Perhaps he should be replaced. I have slacked him, didn't respond. He has a lot of other things going on, someone else coudl take up work.
Sophia: Tyler seems to be busy. Perhaps he should be replaced. I have slacked him, didn't respond. He has a lot of other things going on, someone else coudl take up work.




    Dave : At the very least, get access to our bank account and see things. Give our fund updates, other stuff. But there's a lot of knowledge sharing to be needed.
Dave : At the very least, get access to our bank account and see things. Give our fund updates, other stuff. But there's a lot of knowledge sharing to be needed.




    Sophia : We have to ask him to do some of the stuff, get into places.
Sophia : We have to ask him to do some of the stuff, get into places.




    Dave : It could be a lot of work.
Dave : It could be a lot of work.




    Sophia : It could be a few of us with venmo / bank account credentials.
Sophia : It could be a few of us with venmo / bank account credentials.




    DAve : I think it's a lot of work, taxes, questionnaires, etc.  
DAve : I think it's a lot of work, taxes, questionnaires, etc.  




    TJ : Spread the work among people
TJ : Spread the work among people




    Sophia : People are having issues. So we need to fix that.  
Sophia : People are having issues. So we need to fix that.  




    TJ : what's the AI
TJ : what's the AI




    Dave : We'll discuss online, it's early for escalation
Dave : We'll discuss online, it's early for escalation






    == Discussion Item 3 ==
== Discussion Item 3 ==


    Library
Library


    Call for help
Call for help




    Sohpia - any checkout system? Cyrrently use honors system, but web app is better
Sohpia - any checkout system? Cyrrently use honors system, but web app is better




    Wolf  - I would rather use library cards, easier.
Wolf  - I would rather use library cards, easier.




Line 447: Line 447:




    Dave - I don't think checkout system will be very good. It's an anonymity issue, they'll put it under a nym and we can't reach it. Genuinely interested in how that turns out
Dave - I don't think checkout system will be very good. It's an anonymity issue, they'll put it under a nym and we can't reach it. Genuinely interested in how that turns out




    Sophia - If someone at NB wnated to steal a book, we can't stop them. Maybe a phone #. Only philanthropists sounds a bit much,  
Sophia - If someone at NB wnated to steal a book, we can't stop them. Maybe a phone #. Only philanthropists sounds a bit much,  




    Dave - People who need books most don't have the money
Dave - People who need books most don't have the money






    == Discussion End ==
== Discussion End ==


    Sunday evening  
Sunday evening  




    fineline - I supported Liz asking to Lovi.
fineline - I supported Liz asking to Lovi.




    A person came into the space, I was super stoned. We got more stoned, someone came in, Lovi had private discussion. Lovi said she was suspicious of the space. I said "maybe oyou're paranoid bc you're stoned" , she said "maybe yeah." She wasn't  
A person came into the space, I was super stoned. We got more stoned, someone came in, Lovi had private discussion. Lovi said she was suspicious of the space. I said "maybe oyou're paranoid bc you're stoned" , she said "maybe yeah." She wasn't  




    Dave - I support the decision, don't like to discuss without her. Well meaning person, don't always trust judgement.
Dave - I support the decision, don't like to discuss without her. Well meaning person, don't always trust judgement.




    TJ - I don't think the person is coming back
TJ - I don't think the person is coming back




    Steve - the breaking part was calling the person a cow.
Steve - the breaking part was calling the person a cow.




    Wolf - There was also a DM that also was unexcellent.  
Wolf - There was also a DM that also was unexcellent.  


    Wolf - we should also create #bravespace on Discord, to protect from riffraff.
Wolf - we should also create #bravespace on Discord, to protect from riffraff.




    lxpk - Originally, the bravespace had a gap between public access and not. Do people still want to ahve the bracespace there?
lxpk - Originally, the bravespace had a gap between public access and not. Do people still want to ahve the bracespace there?




    lxpk - I don't htink the mirror should be done between discord and slack, because of privacy
lxpk - I don't htink the mirror should be done between discord and slack, because of privacy




    star - what is bravespace?
star - what is bravespace?




    Steve - Some people's speech were being opporessed. One person put up a channel not ideologically in line with the safespace concept. If someone rubs you the wrong way, talk it out. It's not cool to assume that the person is acting in bad faith, and ask to leave. It is cool to work out with them in good faith. If I'm politically scared, because someone would ostracize you, then  
Steve - Some people's speech were being opporessed. One person put up a channel not ideologically in line with the safespace concept. If someone rubs you the wrong way, talk it out. It's not cool to assume that the person is acting in bad faith, and ask to leave. It is cool to work out with them in good faith. If I'm politically scared, because someone would ostracize you, then  




    Wolf - it got morphed into the conflict resolution / drama channel, from what I understand
Wolf - it got morphed into the conflict resolution / drama channel, from what I understand




    Leon - if the drama starts on the platform, there should be space on that platform without having to move, where that would lead to weird power dynamics, where people could talk about it without the person knowing. Maybe it shouldn't be mirrored for reasons, but everyone sohuld have conversations on the relevant topics  
Leon - if the drama starts on the platform, there should be space on that platform without having to move, where that would lead to weird power dynamics, where people could talk about it without the person knowing. Maybe it shouldn't be mirrored for reasons, but everyone sohuld have conversations on the relevant topics  




    JD - We've got some people that go on one only , bounce between all of them. Howmany am I supposed to isntall?
JD - We've got some people that go on one only , bounce between all of them. Howmany am I supposed to isntall?




    lxpk - Direct response - didn't make a Discord for NB for years, made it for livestreaming and hangouts at NB. Jitsi is hard bc it is single stream. Very hard for sub conversations could happen. If could figure out Jitsi and not do Discord.  
lxpk - Direct response - didn't make a Discord for NB for years, made it for livestreaming and hangouts at NB. Jitsi is hard bc it is single stream. Very hard for sub conversations could happen. If could figure out Jitsi and not do Discord.  




    Dave - I think Mark is doing Gamebridge is moving to Noisebridge.
Dave - I think Mark is doing Gamebridge is moving to Noisebridge.




    Dave - We are done! Goodbye internets!
Dave - We are done! Goodbye internets!


    = End of Meeting =
= End of Meeting =




    ==Note taker posts the notes==
==Note taker posts the notes==




    * Clean and tidy the meeting notes including removing all these really verbose instructions.
* Clean and tidy the meeting notes including removing all these really verbose instructions.


    * Fill out the short summary at the top listing just announcements, consensus items, discussion topics, and names of new members and philanthropists.
* Fill out the short summary at the top listing just announcements, consensus items, discussion topics, and names of new members and philanthropists.


    * Copy paste the notes to the next meeting page. (They will become Last meeting at midnight.)
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    * Edit the Current Consensus Items if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
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    * Edit the Consensus Items History if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.
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    ==Fun things to do after==
==Fun things to do after==




    * Reprise of the [[Hackernationale]]. [This is anarchy - we do what the wiki says!]
* Reprise of the [[Hackernationale]]. [This is anarchy - we do what the wiki says!]


    * PGP Key Signing could happen now (if it doesn't happen before any given Meeting). Ask others around the space or check the list to see who wants in on the action.
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    [[Category:Meeting Notes]]
[[Category:Meeting Notes]]

Latest revision as of 10:12, 10 November 2021

These are the notes from the The 653rd Meeting of Noisebridge.

Previous Meeting Next Meeting Note-taker: TJ Moderators: Woz

Introductions

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  • Dave - he /him - do electronics stuff?
  • Starscream - in online class
  • Ronald - likes coding and stuff, wrote Tetris
  • Tyler - he/him - functional programming
  • Sibas - likes to break things and put them back together
  • Steve - he/him do things from time to time, physics, ML, tech art, etc.
  • Wold - he/him nothing in particular
  • Les - she/they - Python, ML, interested in the human brain but don't know much about it.
  • TJ - he/they - Robots and ML and stuff
  • JD - he/him/they/fucknuts - right now doing stuff with shop in back woodwork, metalwork, would alos like to d
  • Leon - any pronouns - artificial gneral intelligence, high perf computing, networks, os's
  • LX: Gamebridge / VRbridge teacher, soon to reassemble our VR holodeck


  • and so on


Short announcements and events

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60-second description per item in bulletpoint.

TJ- Yesterday was inception of newest edition oc CHM, noah was doing it. If you want to learn about arduino, please come. Robot is doing wired wednesday!

Attend 10 consecutive sessions to build an affordable web controlled robotic arm. The class repeats each quarter.

Robot

Wired Wobotics, every wensday. 5PM, Review session 6PM, Class 8PM, Advanced Lab. Attend 10 consecutive sessions to build an affordable web controlled robotic arm. The class repeats each quarter.


Les - Work party at the Omni Commons (sister hacker space) in Oakland this Saturday (11/13) from 12-5PM. Will be patching the roof and preparing the space for in-person events by December

Steve - no other noisebridgers showed up last time, maybe some more will come in the future! Great time to meet people, from 12-5.

Les - It's actually a lot of fun, no Tom Sawyer'ing. Highly recommend


Mediation work - Mark is available to speak with ppl, if anyone has time.

TJ - WE've talked with him on friday


Excellence

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Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.


(What does that mean? How does the Anti-Harassment Policy fit into this? Are we SURE we know what being Excellent is? This is an important and fundamental conversation at Noisebridge, so let's give it like 120 seconds.)


JD - you wanna be the person you want other people to be. NB is based on excellence, enough said.


P - Leave a trail of smiling faces where you go


TJ - Noah and Robert for starting CHM twice this week

Dave - Leon for helping out on purge shelf. Leon responded to a call for help


- Would like to commend Klaus for rearranging white board and tables downstairs, and the pi table set up.


Lovi, TJ, and John spent some time on Friday night reorganizing shelves



Participation

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Everyone at Noisebridge is a participant at Noisebridge.


(What does that mean? How do you get a door key? Access to Slack, Discuss, etc?)


Dave - anyone who cames in door is participant at NB. If you want to do something, do it. Feel free to join our online communities. Discord / Discuss can easily be signed up for. If I see you for a couple days, I'll give you invite to slack. Anyone can get access to the space. After a little bit, we can give you 30-day access on your clipper card.



Do-ocratic Task Board

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Participation also means doing stuff to contribute to the space. Pick some tasks from github, from what needs to be done around you, or whatever, and see if someone will sign up to work on that task. Anyone can sign up and it's a great way to show you are contributing!


A Philanthropist at Noisebridge has earned enough trust from the community to open and close the space.


(What does that mean? What do we expect from Philanthropists? How do you become one? etc)


Steve - anyone can be participant. If you want 24 h access, give us money. Need to know how to open space up and shut down. Need to be on your teip letting ppl in, asking people to leave. Wanted ppl to be around for a month, but recently has been shorter, because $$$.


Philanthropist - Nikon - will be a little bit longer


Chris Albough - Sponsored by Lizzard - Not here , maybe save that for later...


Membership in Noisebridge entails community Trust in Consensus.


(What does that mean? What do we expect from Members? How do you become a Member? etc)


Wolf - everyone is a small-M member, but big-M members is more responsibility. You can block consensus items, which is a big thing to do. Can also sponsor ppl for philanthropy.


Leon - it's basically more responsibility


Potential member - Dave


Steve - I'm worried you could blow up on other people, so there's a small amount of danger


Dave - thanks for the honesty. I think fineline is right


TJ - no he's not, Dave sets the rules here


fineline - u right tho


JD - The times you get short, it's been a buildup, more calculated. It is a conscious decision to do that.


Dave - I've recognized I've been unexcellent, and I'll need to work on it. I'll need to get upset about things


Steve - like the lock, Dave got angry, but apologized the next day, which is great.


Dave has passed for Week 2!


Financial Report

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Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.


  • Funds in bank:

$457k total


Sophia; prior, we had membership fees and .. . We laso had cash donations. We also had random donations from like 4 years ago, from people in Berlin.


Dave : Last time, vast majority were the $5 or less donations.


Sophia : No way that works mathematically.


TJ : overall flow / cash donations are a lot less.


Sophia : we need to get money / paypal working again


Dave : Stripe should be working (QR code0

Star : You need to advertise Patreon better, I just heard of it now.


Sophia : We do have a payment system, jstu need to advertise more (QR code and such)


lxpk : We did a lot of fundraising, money + dumb luck. What we were raising money to buy building. More consistnet contributers. Have a scan of mural saying "Donate to Noisebridge!" and upload it, update it with higher amount. Do things to being in encourage ppl to become philanthropists.


Could also do another Gamebridge boot camp. We're good at fundraising, let's do it.


Sophia : every time someone comes to Noisebridge, they say "I didn't realize NB is open" . I'm not sure how to communicate it more. We're lighting up all the medias. How do we get people


lxpk : Grand reopening fundraiser


Nikon : Did not realize NB was open. Went to old spot, realized no longer existed, went to new spot. It will permeate over time


Sophia : There are like mailing lists, could we send stuff out?


Dave : Liz or Danny seem like they would know.


LXPK: If make it a goal, we need to plan for 6-8 weeks, to plan it and doing well. We had a fundraising event committee.


Dave : Just start it and say who's interested.


JD : Perfect way to do email list, remind people that there's a pulse


Dave : If ppl are going to old space, maybe we could do a pirate sign or something over there. Entire space is vacant, other than store, so they wouldn't mind.


Sophia : No law is enforced there, so just do it


Dave : So I'm engaged in a fund to take AV system. I'll see it again. If you're interested, put in a donation, we're trying to make it easier to do meetings.


Steve : I will give $50 as soon as Tyler reimburses me.


DAve : Raise your hand if Tyler owes you $$ (people raise hands). he needs help

If the funding is not enough, focus on scaling back, less nice mixer, less mics


Steve: Why not wait? I will get $50


Dave : Is the Internet good?


lxpk : way better than next week. It's at the mercy of laptops rn


Dave : it's a webcam mic instead of the real.


General community could benefit in addition to the meetings


Wolf : System that always work. People keep shuffling things around. Which is seperate from other equipment.


Dave: Maybe we have stumbled upon using the webcam


Fundraising Update

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How's it all going


  • See upthread*

Consensus

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Consensus is how the Noisebridge Membership may change how Noisebridge works.


(How does Consensus work? What types of things are good for formal Consensus? What is small-c consensus? What is a "block"?)


Sophia 2 inds of consensus. Small-c , just ask people in the space if they're ok with that. Par tof daily exisstenc of space. Big-C, which happens on Tuesday meeting, Major changes to space. Vaccine mandate, signing lease for this space. Marked increase in number of big-C over the last several months, if you were there, you'd be familiar. Take two weeks, all Members must consent.


Etiquette is to not block consensus item unless you'd leave the space iwthout it. Only done by Members. Only 4 at the space


Dave - there is nothing there


JD - there is a difference between unaminity and consensus, let's save that for later.


lxpk - best way to handle consensus item, is to change and modify it until it passes. if everyone came to a meeting just to blcok, nothing would happen. But if you propose changes, then a more excellent item could pass.


Sophia - one exapmle, consensus items were proposed, but Liz blocked this if available in any form.

TJ - Putting into law what was already in practices

DAve - only one proposer, we could do more offline.

Sophia - vaccine was good example. broccoli blocked, but consented with change of wording

 LX - https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Hosting_an_Event

Ronald - everyone should be able to teach classes. Everyone can already, but I don't know what steps would be taken


TJ - just let me know


Ronald - people come the most during classes


JD - now that we do have classes, can we put out donation box for chippng in, etc. Second, how are we regulating cash donation boxes. Long time ago, there were cameras in the boxes. Is there a close down procedure


Dave - Paul and Liz have been recording cash donations, other than that, there is no official thing.


Sophia - TJ could you put a chess meetup/class Fridays from 7 to 10.


Nikon - we need to excuse ourselves, but have a nice evening


Dave - Should we make a task to do donation stuff


JD - if it's secured in the way TJ says, it should be ok


Wolf - I wanted to mention side note on whether we have cash app or Venmo . I would like to set that up


Dave - It could be our money pot.


Leon - is it Noisebridge's paypal?


(Add any items which are consensed upon or someone has raised a principle objection for to the Consensus Items History page.)


(Add any new items for consensus to the Current Consensus Items page.)


Discussion

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Discussion Item 1

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Fundraiser


lxpk - started a page for it. Now 272 Grand Reopening on the wiki. will post link to previous fundraiser for background. Just put ideas on it, put ideas together, and it happens.any ideas for entertainment, cleaning up stuff, etc. We need to push some things to the decides, but contribute what we want

Just missed 11th anniversary, but we skipped it due to moving


lxpk - https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/272GrandReopening

JD - need a gate.


lxpk - great to have music club here

leon - how late


Sophia - apparently at hack comedy, someone said "STFU" . That's the apparent limit. We are direclty adjacent to aparmant building


Dave - that's fair


JD - amplified, etc.


Dave - I think the way the space is arranged now, will work a lot better because we could convene here instead of the garage.


Discussion Item 2

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Treasurer


Sophia: Tyler seems to be busy. Perhaps he should be replaced. I have slacked him, didn't respond. He has a lot of other things going on, someone else coudl take up work.


Dave : At the very least, get access to our bank account and see things. Give our fund updates, other stuff. But there's a lot of knowledge sharing to be needed.


Sophia : We have to ask him to do some of the stuff, get into places.


Dave : It could be a lot of work.


Sophia : It could be a few of us with venmo / bank account credentials.


DAve : I think it's a lot of work, taxes, questionnaires, etc.


TJ : Spread the work among people


Sophia : People are having issues. So we need to fix that.


TJ : what's the AI


Dave : We'll discuss online, it's early for escalation


Discussion Item 3

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Library

Call for help


Sohpia - any checkout system? Cyrrently use honors system, but web app is better


Wolf - I would rather use library cards, easier.


Wolf - just need it to be usable

 JD - Fine woodworking magazines, where they'd go?
 
 Wolf - just use woodworking skills to make the shelf for woodworking


Dave - I don't think checkout system will be very good. It's an anonymity issue, they'll put it under a nym and we can't reach it. Genuinely interested in how that turns out


Sophia - If someone at NB wnated to steal a book, we can't stop them. Maybe a phone #. Only philanthropists sounds a bit much,


Dave - People who need books most don't have the money


Discussion End

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Sunday evening


fineline - I supported Liz asking to Lovi.


A person came into the space, I was super stoned. We got more stoned, someone came in, Lovi had private discussion. Lovi said she was suspicious of the space. I said "maybe oyou're paranoid bc you're stoned" , she said "maybe yeah." She wasn't


Dave - I support the decision, don't like to discuss without her. Well meaning person, don't always trust judgement.


TJ - I don't think the person is coming back


Steve - the breaking part was calling the person a cow.


Wolf - There was also a DM that also was unexcellent.

Wolf - we should also create #bravespace on Discord, to protect from riffraff.


lxpk - Originally, the bravespace had a gap between public access and not. Do people still want to ahve the bracespace there?


lxpk - I don't htink the mirror should be done between discord and slack, because of privacy


star - what is bravespace?


Steve - Some people's speech were being opporessed. One person put up a channel not ideologically in line with the safespace concept. If someone rubs you the wrong way, talk it out. It's not cool to assume that the person is acting in bad faith, and ask to leave. It is cool to work out with them in good faith. If I'm politically scared, because someone would ostracize you, then


Wolf - it got morphed into the conflict resolution / drama channel, from what I understand


Leon - if the drama starts on the platform, there should be space on that platform without having to move, where that would lead to weird power dynamics, where people could talk about it without the person knowing. Maybe it shouldn't be mirrored for reasons, but everyone sohuld have conversations on the relevant topics


JD - We've got some people that go on one only , bounce between all of them. Howmany am I supposed to isntall?


lxpk - Direct response - didn't make a Discord for NB for years, made it for livestreaming and hangouts at NB. Jitsi is hard bc it is single stream. Very hard for sub conversations could happen. If could figure out Jitsi and not do Discord.


Dave - I think Mark is doing Gamebridge is moving to Noisebridge.


Dave - We are done! Goodbye internets!

End of Meeting

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Note taker posts the notes

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  • Clean and tidy the meeting notes including removing all these really verbose instructions.
  • Fill out the short summary at the top listing just announcements, consensus items, discussion topics, and names of new members and philanthropists.
  • Copy paste the notes to the next meeting page. (They will become Last meeting at midnight.)
  • Email the meeting summary to Noisebridge Discuss and Noisebridge Announce lists.
  • CC on the email treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members and philanthropists.
  • Edit the Current Consensus Items if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
  • Edit the Consensus Items History if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.


Fun things to do after

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  • Reprise of the Hackernationale. [This is anarchy - we do what the wiki says!]
  • PGP Key Signing could happen now (if it doesn't happen before any given Meeting). Ask others around the space or check the list to see who wants in on the action.