Talk:Bridge

Configuring computer h4xPad to 192.168.1.4 with port forwarding from bridge. thex (talk) 12:21, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Configuring router bridge to 172.30.0.26 with CCC as DNS 213.73.91.35 thex (talk) 12:13, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

IRC

Created IRC channel #n0153bridge on irc.freenode.net thex (talk) 12:31, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

IRC [drama] #noisebridge

[11:24] <AlSweigart> Set up a "quiet table" in the library, with some explanatory signs. It's not so much a "quiet" table as a "don't bug me when I'm sitting at this table" table. [11:24] --> xk_id has joined this channel (~xk_id@unaffiliated/xk-id/x-0573425). [11:29] --> anti-todo has joined this channel (~user@199.254.238.233). [11:31] <-- yar has left this server (Excess Flood). [11:33] --> yar has joined this channel (~yar@gateway/tor-sasl/yar). [11:35] --> jpl has joined this channel (~jpl@adsl-71-135-98-183.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net). [11:38] <xnw> nice [11:57] <username_> http://www.efytimes.com/e1/fullnews.asp?edid=124760 [11:57] <noisebot> [Link Info] type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 [11:57] <username_> Javascript Tutorial Videos [12:00] <-- gazprom has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). [12:00] --> gazprom has joined this channel (~gazprom@gateway/tor-sasl/gazprom). [12:02] --> thealphanerd has joined this channel (~thealphan@pdpc/supporter/student/thealphanerd). [12:17] <jerkey> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2083300/report-nsa-intercepts-computer-deliveries-to-plant-spyware.html [12:17] <noisebot> [Link Info] title: Report: NSA intercepts computer deliveries to plant spyware | PCWorld [12:35] <-- username_ has left this server (Quit: Leaving). [12:39] --> username_ has joined this channel (~username@99-194-242-203.dyn.centurytel.net). [12:48] <-- username_ has left this server (Read error: Connection timed out). [12:49] --> username_ has joined this channel (~username@99-194-242-203.dyn.centurytel.net). [12:49] <gnusosa> http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/login.jsp?tp=&arnumber=6676881&url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fxpls%2Fabs_all.jsp%3Farnumber%3D6676881 [12:49] <noisebot> [Link Info] title: IEEE Xplore - An Automation-Assisted Empirical Study on Lock Usage for Concurrent Programs [13:18] <gazprom> go on [13:24] --> metaone has joined this channel (c7f1c82d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.241.200.45). [13:25] <jerkey> g [13:26] <thex> hey all heads up, soft re-launch of spacebridge, after hours new years swar'A at the new and improved noisebridge west (not syc) [13:26] <gnusosa> Please change name [13:27] <gnusosa> Noisebrigde West is still Noisebridge West [13:28] <dawuud> yo [13:30] <thex> ok to more particular, you're invited to the Noise Bridge West Wall [13:30] <gnusosa> Thanks [13:31] <thex> and the 1337 n0153bridge hq of Spacebridge and #fort [13:31] <thex> oh an per al [13:31] <thex> this is a PUBLIC service announcement [13:31] <thex> i'm hacking on shit at noisebridge [13:31] <gnusosa> is it the same people from the last spacebridge [13:31] <gnusosa> ? [13:32] <thex> not so far as i know [13:32] <thex> hopeful will revive at least one or two of them along the way [13:32] <gnusosa> sweet [13:33] * thex waves at metaone [13:34] <thex> whats everyone up to for nyw [13:34] <thex> do'h nye [13:35] <-- metaone has left this server (Changing host). [13:35] --> metaone has joined this channel (c7f1c82d@unaffiliated/fccf). [13:35] <-- metaone has left this server (Changing host). [13:35] --> metaone has joined this channel (c7f1c82d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.241.200.45). [13:35] *** metaone is now known as GeekSquid. [13:35] <-> metaone> care to join me in #n0153bridge for a more private channel [13:35] [Error] metaone: No such nick/channel. [13:36] <xnw> low-key over here [13:36] [Error] whoix: Unknown command. [13:36] [Whois] xnw is ~dsmith@procyon.capitalzero.net (...he glows with a Bright Light!) [13:36] [Whois] xnw is a user on channels: #noisebridge [13:36] [Whois] xnw is online via rothfuss.freenode.net (FR). [13:36] [Whois] xnw is logged in as xnw. [13:36] [Whois] End of WHOIS list. [13:36] <thex> where's over here [13:36] <xnw> play with music until 8-9pm [13:36] <xnw> then a house party [13:36] <xnw> lower haight right now [13:36] <xnw> sup JC [13:36] <thex> speak'n of over here, GeekSquid hows the sound lvl come'n from bridge currently [13:37] <jerkey> The victim was complying with demands but the armed suspect shot him. However, the shot glanced off the victim's face and struck one of the shooter's alleged accomplices instead, killing him, according to police. [13:37] <gnusosa> jerkey: wat? [13:37] <gazprom> ill be building an aquarium in the space on NYE [13:37] [Whois] gazprom is ~gazprom@gateway/tor-sasl/gazprom (gazprom) [13:37] [Whois] gazprom is a user on channels: #noisebridge [13:37] [Whois] gazprom is online via zelazny.freenode.net (internal). [13:37] [Whois] gazprom is logged in as gazprom. [13:37] [Whois] End of WHOIS list. [13:37] <thex> sweet [13:37] <jerkey> are you charles tang? [13:38] <thex> maybe we should put it in the bridge [13:38] <gazprom> the guy with the hardest face in SF is still in the hospital but is supposed to live [13:38] <gazprom> todos somos charles tang! [13:38] <gazprom> i just watched Fruitvale Station [13:38] <gazprom> its really good! [13:39] <gazprom> you can preview it on thepiratebay [13:40] <jerkey> what do you mean preview [13:40] <gazprom> well if you were a responsible citizen, you would preview it [13:40] <gazprom> then buy a DVD it later so the people who made the movie make a nickel [13:40] <thex> so what your saying is, you can download the whole thing and watch it for free [13:40] <gazprom> anyway its good stuff [13:40] <thex> and then if your guilt kicks in, you go buy the dvd, and call the dl a "preview" [13:40] <gazprom> yes [13:41] <gazprom> fuck your sharing economy [13:41] <thex> what if you buy it from the pop-up dvd vendor on mission [13:41] <gazprom> he got it from piratebay! [13:41] <gazprom> 'pop up vendor' lol [13:41] <thex> totally [13:42] <thex> she's like the new tamale lady [13:42] <gazprom> you should feel very guilty [13:42] <thex> pass every time on the way to bridge from bart [13:42] <gazprom> filming stuff that is good is really hard work [13:42] <thex> ya [13:42] <thex> and they should get paid [13:42] <thex> by ppl that wanna support them [13:42] <gazprom> im excited about downloading the new Sherlock tomorrow [13:42] <thex> and when u can use a "free" distribution network to share unlimited copies, why not do that too [13:43] <gazprom> sure [13:43] <gazprom> i do it [13:43] <gazprom> a lot of people do it [13:43] <gazprom> we are bad people [13:43] <gazprom> did you read the cocaine == hitler article [13:43] <thex> the new way to share and pay http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/kungfury/kung-fury [13:43] <noisebot> [Link Info] title: KUNG FURY by Laser Unicorns * Kickstarter [13:43] <gazprom> that looks terrible [13:43] <gazprom> also that makes me mad when people spend gajilions and still make terrible movies [13:44] <gazprom> maybe those people can be fined, and the money given to people who are capable of making decent movies [13:44] <gazprom> it is a hard problem [13:45] <gazprom> i like seeing movies actually filmed in oakland [13:45] <gazprom> i keep missing Licks [13:45] <gazprom> jerkey: did you download Computer Chess yet [13:46] <-- thealphanerd has left this server (Quit: thealphanerd). [13:46] <thex> jerkey: anything goin on at hearth or sudo tonight? [13:50] <jerkey> why would i download computer chess i dont even know how to play chess [13:50] <jerkey> thex i think 3d printing tuesdays is happening at sudo [13:50] <jerkey> nothing at hearth [13:50] <gazprom> jerkey: its a movie about a chess tournament involving a CP/M machine, set in the 70s [13:51] <thex> jerkey: come'n out to nb at all these days? [13:51] <gazprom> the movie makers filmed it with 70s era video technology [13:51] <gazprom> it is nerdiest thing ever [13:51] <gazprom> http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/movies/computer-chess-review-a-weird-glimpse-of-scifi-past-20131227-2zyme.html [13:51] <noisebot> [Link Info] title: Computer Chess review: A weird glimpse of sci-fi past [13:52] <-> GeekSquid> you on? [13:54] <yar> thex: yep i'll be doing 3D tuesdays today, although maybe ending a little early :) [13:58] <thex> cool [13:58] <thex> i'm take'n inventory on 3d printers over here [13:59] <thex> there's a few machines that need love and some boxes of spare parts [13:59] <thex> and tons of filaments [13:59] <thex> would be good to get fab thurs goin more again here [14:00] [Whois] wiretapped is ~wiretappe@gateway/tor-sasl/wiretapped (wiretapped) [14:00] [Whois] wiretapped is a user on channels: #noisebridge [14:00] [Whois] wiretapped is online via zelazny.freenode.net (internal). [14:00] [Whois] wiretapped is logged in as wiretapped. [14:00] [Whois] End of WHOIS list. [14:00] <jerkey> thex if you want to restore the type-a-machine prototype lemme know, i have its brain [14:00] <yar> i've been modelling shims that will make it easier to just rest a piece of glass on our bed so people don't have to keep adjusting knobs [14:01] <thex> cool would like to see that happen, probably be a few before i'm ready [14:01] <-> noisebot> seen wiretapped [14:01] <yar> obviously it won't be a good idea to rest a heated bed on printed plastic, though... [14:01] <thex> wiretapped around? [14:01] <jerkey> yar why not just print four squares in the corners, leave them stuck to the tape, squirt silicone caulk on them and plop down the glass? [14:02] <thex> i'm trying to install gimp and getting this error, any clues " [14:02] <thex> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) [14:02] <thex> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? [14:02] <yar> jerkey: you mean rest glass on our currently unstable, warped bed held up by loose knobs? [14:03] <thex> ...using "sudo apt-get install gimp" [14:03] <yar> jerkey: i want to replace the warped bed entirely [14:03] <jerkey> yar do you mean the plexiglass plate? [14:04] <gazprom> thex: do a "ps -auxw" and look for anything with dpkg or apt or synaptic in it, that apt daemon is probably doing something funky [14:04] <yar> jerkey: i am not sure what material it is. [14:04] <yar> all i know is it's a PITA [14:04] * thex enjoy'n some epic home made brownies at bridge (more in fridge at east noisebridge) [14:06] <thex> gazprom: there's a lot of stuff that comes up hard to spot [14:07] <thex> derrrrrr [14:07] <thex> i think i already installed with the app manager [14:09] <jerkey> did you try turning the machine on and off a bunch of times [14:11] <thex> ya, that's how i fix the hard drive [14:12] <jerkey> sometimes you need to bang on it gently with a hammer [14:15] <thex> ya, i prefer the palm thrust to seat the occasional errant cable [14:17] <-- ms7821 has left this server (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). [14:23] --> ms7821 has joined this channel (~Mark@rack.ms). [14:29] <-- kkr has left this server (Quit: Leaving). [14:29] <tdfischer> hmm, nobody at the space today to vouch for me it seems [14:29] <jerkey> tdfisher did anyone ask you to leave? [14:29] <tdfischer> or buzzer is actually broken [14:29] <tdfischer> nope [14:30] <tdfischer> im not even in yet [14:32] <tdfischer> ah, jc and hilaire let me in [14:32] * tdfischer can continue to hack on spiff and print a map of hackerspaces someone wanted [14:37] --> unixjazz has joined this channel (~fido@76-218-104-100.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net). [14:59] --> madcap has joined this channel (c7f1c82d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.199.241.200.45). [14:59] *** madcap is now known as Guest73677. [15:01] --> Cognition has joined this channel (~anonymous@199-241-200-45.PUBLIC.monkeybrains.net). [15:01] *** Guest73677 is now known as madcap1. [15:02] <Cognition> . [15:02] <-- PaulCapestany has left this server. [15:03] * thex waves to madcap1 [15:03] --> PaulCapestany has joined this channel (~PaulCapes@204.28.124.82). [15:03] <thex> madcap1: you say something? [15:03] <dawuud> this place is blowing up [15:04] <dawuud> holy shit [15:04] [Whois] dawuud is ~david415@leaf.lumiere.net (Unknown) [15:04] [Whois] dawuud is a user on channels: #noisebridge [15:04] [Whois] dawuud is online via calvino.freenode.net (Milan, IT). [15:04] [Whois] End of WHOIS list. [15:04] <dawuud> crazy [15:04] <thex> hey dawuud u in the space? [15:04] <dawuud> c-base. yeeup [15:04] <madcap1> you are thex? [15:05] <madcap1> would someone explain what is going on please. [15:06] <thex> hows c-base post 30c3 [15:06] <thex> ...appreciated the CHAOS it brought to nb [15:07] <madcap1> So what is the dillio??? [15:08] <-- smcgregor has left this server (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). [15:09] --> smcgregor has joined this channel (~smcgregor@72.11.240.133). [15:09] <madcap1> what is the drama about please? [15:09] <thex> madcap1: try joining #fort and we have a more n00b irc basics convo without the peanut gallery [15:10] <thex> ...prefer to keep #noisebridge san drama, as the list does more than enough of that IMHO [15:11] <-- mid has left this server (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). [15:12] --> mid has joined this channel (~mid@nozomi.zigamorph.net). [15:13] <-- jpl has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). [15:13] <thex> noisebot temp [15:14] <thex> noisebot chat about weather [15:14] <noisebot> why would i do not know existed until noisebot hit it with "also many of you too?" [15:14] <noisebot> thex: weatherunderground thinks 94710 is a filesystem which supported extended attributes. unfortunately, gluster doesn't scale linearly. if you don't have any tips on how to keep noisebridge from the dentist wanted to see it on vibrate. It didn't work [15:14] * tdfischer hugs noisebot [15:14] * thex ditto xoxoxoxo [15:14] <AlSweigart> Hey JC, so my main question with The Bridge that you're setting up is 1) What's it supposed to accomplish? Is it a second spacebridge project? [15:15] <AlSweigart> And 2) who's going to be sleeping in the nap pod that you set up there? [15:15] <tdfischer> its a space within a space [15:15] <thex> it's a part of the space [15:15] <thex> i've update the floorplan [15:15] <thex> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noiz_spacemap2012.jpg [15:15] <noisebot> [Link Info] title: File:Noiz spacemap2012.jpg - Noisebridge [15:16] <thex> although you may have to reload for cache [15:16] <AlSweigart> Right. But why is the partitioning necessary for the projects that will be done there, and what projects will be done there? Is it just a separate new room in the space? [15:16] <thex> all great q's [15:17] <thex> gimmie one sec peeps IRL in the bridge [15:17] <thex> brb [15:17] <AlSweigart> Also, the jpg you linked doesn't really explain it. It looks more like a joke. But seriously, what is it going to be used for? [15:17] <thex> it's a bridge, for the spaceship noisebridge [15:18] <xnw> so hey [15:18] <thex> on a 5 year mission, to blah blah blah, excellent haxing etc [15:18] <jerkey> AlSweigart it's not really a thing, it's a state of mind [15:18] <thex> and it's very much a work in process [15:18] <AlSweigart> Uh... yeah, but seriously, what is it and what will it be used for? [15:18] <xnw> you know how David Suzuki was like "if Fukushima reactor 3 melts down, we should evacuate the west coast of North America"? [15:18] <jerkey> lol i love that there's a GPS at the control station [15:19] <xnw> and you know how, like, there's this new plume of steam that is making scientists think maybe it's happening, that reactor 3 is going into meltdown now? [15:19] <xnw> what are you guys' thoughts on that? [15:19] <thex> ya [15:19] <xnw> seeing as we're about as west coast as it gets [15:19] <thex> i'd like to have an actual gps unit [15:19] <thex> and spoof it to show wherever we are in metaspace [15:19] <jerkey> xnw i dont think any more reactors are going to melt down, it sounds alarmist. if there is research or data to back it up i'll read it but based on my knowledge of the situation, it's just fear exploitation [15:19] <thex> and be able to route a trip to say c-base [15:20] <xnw> jerkey: http://gizmodo.com/radioactive-mystery-steam-over-fukushima-could-mean-ano-1492280971 [15:20] <noisebot> [Link Info] title: Mystery Steam Over Fukushima Could Be Sign of Another Meltdown [15:20] <xnw> note I'm not linking a conspiracy site. it may well be fear-mongering, I agree. [15:21] <AlSweigart> So a couple years back, there was this guy Isky who brought his home desktop PC and put it in Turing. He would hang out at Noisebridge a lot just playing Modern Warfare or whatever. It basically was monopolizing that part of the classroom for his private use, which is unexcellent. [15:21] <thex> ya [15:21] <AlSweigart> He would say that the computer was openly available to anyone, but only he and his friends had the password to it. He also permanently stored his bicycle at the space, again saying it was a community bike, but since it wasn't marked as such, it was only used by him and his friends. [15:22] <thex> so the "bridge" experiment, is diving into a more 1337 bridge, or n0153bridge if you will [15:22] <AlSweigart> thex: Can you explain what that means? [15:22] <thex> a dedicated space for 1337 [15:22] <thex> setup with nice things [15:22] <thex> that continue to work, and stay in the space [15:22] <jerkey> xnw i am reading [15:22] <thex> i am working to design it in a open and non-exclusionary way [15:23] <thex> however, there is a line [15:23] <jerkey> AlSweigart i predict that what thex does at noisebridge will be excellent, and he is receptive to criticism should the need arise [15:23] <AlSweigart> So, who is allowed to use the leet area of Noisebridge? [15:23] <thex> that is meant to insure that ppl participanting in the bridge are doing so with known concent of what they are choosing to participate in [15:23] <jerkey> you mean the nitrous? [15:24] <thex> well it may make sense to combine it with a "members" area ala membershelves [15:24] <thex> jerkey: u refering to the helium? [15:25] <jerkey> dont inhale helium, it doesn't do what you think it does [15:25] <AlSweigart> thex: It really looks like your setting up a private space, including sleeping quarters, for yourself and the people you deem leet. Especially since you did it all before announcing it on the wiki, in IRC, at a meeting, and are refusing to announce it at all on the mailing list. Also, tonight's meeting is NYE, where not many people will show up. [15:25] * thex in all seriousness, not a fan of huffers/huffing [15:25] <thex> yes, to be clear and plain, i am hacking the shit out of noisebridge, and not asking permission [15:25] <AlSweigart> thex: That's what it looks like. But please do (I sincerely mean this) show me how I'm incorrect. [15:26] <thex> i am doing my best, and expect to be held accountable, that i find and proceed in an excellent way [15:26] <jerkey> xnw i'm reading the translated japanese and it does mention unexplained steam, but it's hard to read the whole thing. http://www.tepco.co.jp/nu-news/2013/1233248_5304.html [15:26] <noisebot> [Link Info] title: 福島第一原子力発電所の状況について（日報）｜東京電力 [15:26] <Cognition> who determines who is 1337? [15:26] <thex> i'd prefer to do then talk, and let my doin speak for itself [15:26] <AlSweigart> Cognition: I am very much interested in the answer to that question too. [15:27] <thex> however, i value the oppurtunity for input and feedback, and rfc stage as it were [15:27] <unixjazz> jerkey, tepco is the worse source for info, but I agree with you regarding the reactor-3 -- alarmism is not going to help us in anyway [15:27] <AlSweigart> thex: You know this will be controversial. You should discuss it with the community to mitigate people's concerns. [15:27] <thex> and i may be driving the project, however i consider a noisebridge project first, rather than my project [15:27] <jerkey> AlSweigart i think you should go there and see how excellent it will be. thex works hard at excellence in the space and i predict you would approve. [15:27] <unixjazz> tepco have been systematically hidding info since the outbreak of the disaster [15:27] <unixjazz> s/have/has [15:27] <thex> i will be happy to discuss via irc, i am not interested in unnecessary dramatizing via nb-discuss [15:28] <jerkey> AlSweigart there be dragons where people fear to do things without permission. don't activate the fire extinguisher before the fire [15:28] <AlSweigart> jerkey: It's only been up for a day. I was in the middle of taking down the tarp when JC found me and explain everything, because I hadn't heard about it at all and thought someone was setting up their own private residence. [15:28] <thex> actually this is day 5 [15:28] <jerkey> that is a valid guess when you see a tarp go up at noisebrige [15:28] <thex> i've been "occupying" west noisebridge since the start of CHAOS [15:28] <thex> which i very publicly announced over a month ago [15:28] <thex> this is a continuation [15:29] <AlSweigart> I mean, I do a lot of bold moves (like booting sleepers out in the morning), but I go out of my way to make solicit opinions from people, especially those who disagree with me. [15:29] <thex> and frankly i take your action of dissable/paint over by default as n0ts3w excellent [15:29] <AlSweigart> thex: Announced on the mailing list, or at a meeting or something? I don't remember anyone saying anything about a closed off "leet" space with sleeping pod. [15:29] <jerkey> unixjazz i agree that they keep as much secrets as they can, but if reactor 3 is undercooled and making steam, they will surely increase the cooling water to it. The consequence being more radioactive water to dispose of. But to let it melt down is not an option that anyone would consider. [15:29] <thex> and the no dissamble isn't even supposed go be enforced till next year [15:30] <thex> it's not closed off [15:30] <thex> but like https everywhere, exploring encrypted by default [15:30] <unixjazz> jerkey, sure! it would be noticeable if the core would be melting... because they would make moves and call attention of the world (a lot of people 'on the ground' are following them closely) [15:30] <jerkey> thex are you interested in finding out what alsweigart wants you to do differently? [15:31] <thex> ...i'm continuing a conversatoin that we started in the space [15:31] <-- anti-todo has left this server (Read error: Connection reset by peer). [15:31] --> heroic has joined this channel (~jasmine@c-98-210-109-104.hsd1.ca.comcast.net). [15:31] <thex> and yes look'n for anyones input, however trying to stay focused on hacking over talking [15:31] <jerkey> unixjazz if the core is melting it's because of insufficient cooling, so they will increase the cooling water flow [15:31] <unixjazz> thex, IMHO it does not make much sense to build walls within the space... [15:31] <thex> and sometimes it better to do and ask for forgiveness later [15:32] <AlSweigart> thex: There's tons of random scrawling and graffitti all over the space. I started painting over it, including the storage door. Considering that E'Claire has been blasting her stuff all over the walls, I didn't think it would be too controversial. I'm interested in hearing about what people think about drawing on the walls of NB (we had an art wall specifically for that a while ago). [15:32] <thex> and hope that nb is the kinda place where ppl doing crazy shit are given the benefit of the doubt they are doing something excellent [15:32] <thex> rather then starting yet another cluster fuck [15:32] <thex> even when its been tried and failed [15:32] <AlSweigart> And since E'Claire is now prolly going to piss off the landlord by writing her name all over outside the space, I think E'Claire's actions are unexcellent. [15:32] <thex> and in the process it's odd to see such literal censorship [15:33] <thex> at the same time i am huge supporter of cleaning the space, and challenged by the graffitti as well [15:33] <AlSweigart> But we can talk about the graffiti later (and I seriously would like to talk about it) [15:33] <thex> and hoping to see it evolve in to more art and less crap [15:33] <thex> agreed [15:33] <thex> one thing at a time [15:33] <thex> so how about this... [15:34] <thex> i'm gonna keep hack'n in the "dark" aka bridge for the rest of the year [15:34] <thex> and come next year (say 12 hours from now) [15:34] <AlSweigart> thex: Right. So, my personal view is that The Bridge seems like it'll become a sort of "inner circle" area that is closed off to general people at NB, and the sleep pod is a bad idea. I'm willing to hold off on taking it down or what not for a few weeks to see how it turns out though. [15:35] <thex> there will be a clearer, public mission statement, outlining whats goin on, and the demands/impact on the physical space attached to going forward [15:35] <thex> i'd like to sperate the sleep pod from the bridge discussion [15:35] <thex> as it's not intended to be part of the bridge [15:35] <AlSweigart> thex: But one thing I do want you to do is make it completely transparent 1) what The Bridge's intended use specifically is and 2) who's going to be allowed/not allowed to use the sleep pod. And that includes mailing noisebridge-discuss. [15:35] <thex> but an adjunct via #fort [15:36] <AlSweigart> thex: The sleep pod is right in the middle of The Bridge and was made at the same time as The Bridge. I don't see how you can't include it. [15:36] <thex> the sleep pod was an invention contrived at 5:30am this morning [15:36] <AlSweigart> My main concern is I don't want parts of Noisebridge to be privatized and partitioned off. [15:36] <thex> and onfab'd in an hour [15:37] <gnusosa> hahahaa wat [15:37] <gnusosa> I'm out [15:37] <thex> ya [15:37] <thex> more to talk about and figure out [15:37] <unixjazz> AlSweigart, +1, I think it is a bad idea to partition the space... [15:37] <unixjazz> I mean, building walls and stuff [15:37] <thex> would like to have a more general discussion about at meeting tonight if anyone is coming, or pickup again at the same time on irc [15:39] <thex> and al i really don't wanna piss you or anyone at the space off [15:39] <thex> and i am excersizing my freedom to hack and experiment and need some time and space to see where that is going [15:39] <thex> and expect it will become much clearer in the coming days [15:40] <jerkey> it seems that the steam could just be a leak in one of the cooling systems, the temperature in the general area is 5.1 celsius, so any water even slightly warm will make steam. [15:40] <AlSweigart> Right. I think it would clear things up if you can write out what the intended use of the space is, but also make it as public as possible and solicit people's opinions/criticism. [15:40] <thex> i'll keep folks updated with things that may have a broader inpact on the space as much as possible here [15:41] <thex> i'll be having an open dialog on whats currently happening in the "bridge" on #n0153bridge for anyone that wants to get in on the experiment [15:41] <AlSweigart> thex: And, really, do post an announcement on Discuss and field people's questions. I know you want to take a break from that list for a while, but just get this part done first. [15:41] <thex> i'm sorta with you on that [15:41] <AlSweigart> thex: Sorta? [15:42] <thex> well i got till the end of the year [15:42] <AlSweigart> unixjazz: Just to be clear, no walls have been built, but there's a large tarp the sections off the fire escape/spacebridge area and the few tables in front of it. [15:42] <thex> i have a hard time reading what you are saying, not as just another version of you have to ask to do something first, rather then just doing excellently [15:43] <thex> and the bridge is a departure, in that it most definetly is not concensus [15:43] <thex> and will not conform to comprimise [15:43] <thex> it will be what it is [15:43] <AlSweigart> thex: Basically, announce The Bridge on the mailing list, say what it's intended use is, and who will/will not be using the sleep pod. [15:43] <thex> and if anyone feels that it is keeping them or anyone from reasonably using the space, i invite you to come to the bridge and chat with me about it [15:44] <AlSweigart> thex: "and will not conform to comprimise" really concerns me [15:44] <thex> good [15:44] <unixjazz> alright! [15:44] <thex> i'm pretty sure that means its just unreasonable enough to possibly become reasonable with being ubsurdly extreme [15:45] <thex> without i mean [15:45] <-- unixjazz has left this server (Quit: Leaving). [15:45] <AlSweigart> thex: Noisebridge is not yours. It is a community. We encourage people to take initiative, but you can claim a section of the space as your own and not be willing to listen to other people's concerns. [15:46] <thex> i expect this will cause some friction, and would like to work with others to keep it from breaking other things, but i'm asking for some space to try, and fail [15:46] <thex> i am not claiming [15:46] <thex> but i am proclaiming personal responsibility for this specific part of noisebridge [15:47] <Cognition> I support reasonable naps at noisebridge, but if overnigt sleep is to be discouraged, a hidden sleep pod behind a tarp may not be a great idea. [15:47] <thex> and with that am taking some "ownership" for lack of a better word [15:47] <thex> to be clear the sleep pod is not behind/under a tarp [15:47] <thex> it's under a desk [15:47] <thex> with a horizontal door [15:47] <thex> i'll add pics to the wiki [15:48] <thex> and i'm not at all interested in hiding anything i'm doing [15:48] <thex> however i find it prudent to be discrete about some things [15:48] <AlSweigart> thex: What things? [15:48] <thex> especially in respect to maintaing a safe space used by kids at times [15:49] <thex> not presenting a image of noisebridge as "crash" pad by say napping for a few hours on the couch [15:49] <AlSweigart> thex: Like alcohol/weed use? [15:49] <thex> i prefer to sleep in the open in the space when I do [15:49] <thex> but i don't think gives a fair reflection of whats actually going on [15:49] <thex> yes as for some [15:50] <thex> out of sight out of mind [15:50] <thex> not that i condone or use that a excuse for illegal activities at/around nb [15:50] <thex> but i can be a responsible adult and consume alcohal in the space [15:50] <AlSweigart> thex: ... [15:51] <thex> i just don't find it appropriate persay sitting across from a 12 year old [15:51] <AlSweigart> thex: "out of sight out of mind" doesn't really reassure me about The Bridge being transparent. [15:51] <thex> and i don't have problems with kids on the bridge, so long as they have a gaurdian [15:51] <anasyrma> What is "The Bridge"? [15:51] <AlSweigart> anasyrma: I'll let thex take that question. [15:52] <AlSweigart> I'm still not sure myself. [15:52] <thex> "The Bridge" can be a way to refer to the hackerspace noisebridge in general [15:52] <thex> tell ya what [15:53] <thex> let me get back to figure out what the f'k the bridge is for myself, and there will be updates to follow [15:53] <AlSweigart> "The Bridge" isn't the entire space though, it's specifically a section of the space by the fire escape that thex set up last night. [15:53] <AlSweigart> So far it sounds like a place where you can sleep and drink booze. [15:53] <thex> in the meantime are there any concerns unanswered preventing anyone from use/enjoyment of the space potentially caused by this experimental bridge project [15:54] <thex> it totally is [15:54] <thex> cause it's a 1337 hackerspace space in a epic harkerspace known as "The Bridge" [15:54] <AlSweigart> ...and an inner circle that only " [15:54] <anasyrma> ... [15:54] <AlSweigart> leet" people can hang out at. [15:54] <anasyrma> do i even *want* to know what is going on? [15:54] <thex> and in at least my version of a hackerspace i wanna spend time at, sleeping and drink booze is a part of the experience, not what defines it however [15:55] <AlSweigart> anasyrma: One that thex does not want to disclose on the mailing list, because the mailing list folks "aren't real Noisebridgers". [15:55] <thex> i am open to input on access control policy to bridge [15:55] <thex> i would say it mirrors noisebridges [15:55] <thex> however that is in a unknown fail state at present [15:55] <thex> so i'm experimenting [15:56] <thex> i am also exploring some concepts around space and privacy [15:56] <thex> and see the "bridge" as a safer space to explore that, then say noisebridge at large [15:56] <AlSweigart> thex: This doesn't sound well thought out at all. Figure all this out and announce it on the mailing list today or tomorrow, because it should and will be announced there. [15:56] <thex> and i refer to jerkey's idea of "open to the public as much possible/reasonable" as a good default start [15:57] <thex> i rarely find myself doing epic things that are well thought out [15:57] <thex> they just sorta happen [15:57] <thex> more thinking will be applied as things evolve [15:59] <thex> in the meantime, west noisebridge is under construction, hard hats recomended [15:59] <thex> with any luck the dust will settle before the end of the year, and hard hats will be optional [15:59] <thex> however, i fully expect there to be broader shit storms to get kicked up along the way [15:59] <thex> ala sleeping [15:59] <thex> ala drinking [15:59] <thex> ala hacking [15:59] <thex> to be continued [16:00] <thex> i'm switching to #sudoroom for a while, will be back in time for meeting [16:00] <AlSweigart> thex: So, you *expect* there to be problems with sleeping and drinking in this thing you're building? Care to explain how you're planning to mitigate these issues? [16:00] <thex> no i don't care to explain right now [16:00] <thex> these things are already a huge problem [16:00] <thex> i have no hope/expection of fixing them [16:01] <thex> i don't see that as preventing me from doing it better, as we slowly find ways to improve/fix them [16:01] <AlSweigart> thex: But you can see why I think building a nap pod in an isolated part of the space will *increase* these problems, right? [16:01] <thex> expect problems, as this is not an overnight fix that can be "defined" [16:01] <thex> i can see how you would think that [16:02] <thex> i if it's not abundently clear, obviously have a different view [16:02] <thex> and over time would imagine we can find a way to share a more similar longer view [16:02] <AlSweigart> thex: I'm interested in what your view is. Can you explain how the sleep pod doesn't encourage more sleeping? [16:03] <thex> not right now [16:03] <Cognition> only those deemed 1337 will be sleeping... [16:03] <thex> i need to actually work on that problem [16:03] <thex> plz give me some time to evolve this before jumping to what i think i might know at this second [16:04] <AlSweigart> Okay. But *please* write up more info on the bridge and what it [16:04] <AlSweigart> 'll be used for on the wiki page. It doesn't have much info on it right now. [16:05] [Notice] -kloeri- [Global Notice] Happy new years to all those people following fST (or UTC) [16:06] * thex reasonable request acknowledged [16:13] <-- Cognition has left this server (Remote host closed the connection). [16:17] <mischief> hello [16:17] <mischief> nb meeting is tonight? yeesh [16:18] <DonkeyHotei> lol [16:20] <DonkeyHotei> somehow, i don't think the idea of spending nye at nb would be at all popular unless there's an orgy or something [16:23] * jerkey pictures noisebridge regulars naked [16:24] <DonkeyHotei> even if it were on the agenda officially, it still wouldn't happen [16:30] <AlSweigart> DonkeyHotei: Thanks, Obama. [16:31] <DonkeyHotei> nye at nb with an obama orgy would NOT be popular [16:40] <thex> dunno i'm hip to the whole orgy thing atm, maybe a pj party though [16:41] <thex> spacebridge is hosting a after hour swar'A