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These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 852nd Meeting of Noisebridge].
These are the notes from the [https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Meeting_Notes The 852nd Meeting of Noisebridge].
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* '''One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.'''
== Meeting Summary ==
 
'''Key Highlights:'''
* '''Consensus Items Discussed:''' Five major items including membership naming legal implications, Fashion Pop-Up approval (March 28), GrillBridge fundraiser, ATL clarification for WEZ (resolved positively), and Board Elections planning
* '''New Events:''' Spacebridge launch February 21st; upstairs stereo project completed (3 synced stereos)
* '''Spending Needs:''' Shelving completion ($1200-2000), 3D-printed organization systems (filament), potential bridge.net domain acquisition ($35k)
* '''Cultural Discussion:''' Deep dive on high-trust Discord channels, conflict routing, and the need for clearer community structures (Space Guardians transition)
* '''Governance:''' Board elections planning underway; need to establish voting process and timeline


== Meeting Summary ==
'''Attendance:''' Strong turnout including Angelo, Elan, Daniel, Julius, Loren, Caitlyn, Zacchie, Naomi/Nthmost, Anh, Mark, Jet, Blitzkreig/Chris, WEZ, Jawa, Joseph
FILL OUT AT END OF MEETING AND SEND TO MAILING LIST/SLACK/DISCORD
Include:
TLDR what happened at the meeting:
* Fundraising Update:
* Announcements:
* Finances:
* New members:
* New associates:
* Consensus Items:
* Discussion Items:


= Introductions =
= Introductions =
* Ask people to share their '''name, access needs, and preferred gender pronouns''' what they do at noisebridge


* ''' name ''' (pronouns): introduction
'''Ask people to share their name, access needs, and preferred gender pronouns, and what they do at Noisebridge'''
* ''' Angelo ''' (he/him): I like / love the new CNC macine 
 
* ''' Elan ''' (he/they/whatever): that I can find cool colaborators for cool projects
* '''Angelo''' (he/him): I like / love the new CNC machine
* ''' Daniel ''' (he/him): three.... deee...  
* '''Elan''' (he/they/whatever): that I can find cool collaborators for cool projects
* ''' Julius ''' (he/him): I like that it's free - not for me but if you need it to be  
* '''Daniel''' (he/him): three.... deee...
* ''' Loren ''' (): Infra  
* '''Julius''' (he/him): I like that it's free - not for me but if you need it to be
* ''' Daniel ''' (he/him): I like the electronics room.  
* '''Loren''' (): Infra
* ''' Caitlyn ''' (): I made the food/wine.
* '''Daniel''' (he/him): I like the electronics room.
* ''' Zacchie ''' ():  I like the culture.
* '''Caitlyn''' (): I made the food/wine.
* ''' Naomi/Nthmost ''' (): I like hacking on weird culture/art/tech interfaces.  
* '''Zacchie''' ():  I like the culture.
* ''' Anh ''' (She/her): I like working on graphic design stuff  
* '''Naomi/Nthmost''' (): I like hacking on weird culture/art/tech interfaces.
* ''' Mark ''' (He/They):  I like the potential
* '''Anh''' (She/her): I like working on graphic design stuff
* ''' Jet ''' (They/Them): I like the people.  
* '''Mark''' (He/They):  I like the potential
* '''Jet''' (They/Them): I like the people.
* '''Blitzkreig/Chris''': Mostly associated with the wood shop. Helping Ken put up the shelves and teaching a bit on wood shop Wednesday.
* '''Blitzkreig/Chris''': Mostly associated with the wood shop. Helping Ken put up the shelves and teaching a bit on wood shop Wednesday.


= Short announcements and events =
= Short announcements and events =
* '''60-second description per item in bulletpoint.'''
* '''Copy-paste any pre-announcements for the upcoming meeting from [[Announcements]].'''
* '''After announcements, copy them to the past [[Announcements]] list. Retire any from the Next Meeting list that aren't marked ONGOING.'''
* (See https://www.noisebridge.net/ and https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Events for events, and welcoming people)


* Spacebridge launch on the 21st!  
* '''Spacebridge launch on the 21st!'''
* Finally completed upstairs stereo project! 3-stereos in-sync. if anyone wants to help set it up as a Spotify or Airply speaker, lemme know if you've done that. Lemme teach how to turn it b/c it shuts down when the space shuts down at night.
* '''Upstairs stereo project completed!''' 3 stereos in-sync. If anyone wants to help set it up as a Spotify or Airplay speaker, contact the installer. Need training on how to turn it on/off since it shuts down when the space closes at night.


= Excellence =
= Excellence =
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''  
 
'''Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.'''


* '''Jet''': Excellence is like the golden-rule. Treating others how you'd like to be treated as well as how '''they would like to be treated'''!
* '''Jet''': Excellence is like the golden-rule. Treating others how you'd like to be treated as well as how '''they would like to be treated'''!


What does that mean? Please see our page on excellence https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Excellence!  
What does that mean? Please see our page on excellence https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Excellence!


== Anti-Harassment Policy & Community Standards of Excellence ==
== Anti-Harassment Policy & Community Standards of Excellence ==
Noisebridge has an [[Anti-Harassment Policy]] https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Anti-Harassment_Policy
Noisebridge has an [[Anti-Harassment Policy]] https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Anti-Harassment_Policy
Everyone is expected to follow the Anti-Harassment Policy, please familiarize yourself with it.) TWO MINUTES MAX
 
More approachable & specific guidelines, https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Community_Standards
Everyone is expected to follow the Anti-Harassment Policy, please familiarize yourself with it.
 
More approachable & specific guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Community_Standards
 
https://safespace.noisebridge.net/ is one way to quickly raise issues which will be seen by people in Slack.
https://safespace.noisebridge.net/ is one way to quickly raise issues which will be seen by people in Slack.


== Brief Kudos ==
== Brief Kudos ==
Recent examples of excellent behavior, say 3, unless the passion moves you.


* '''Julius''': Thank you everyone for helping rearrange the place! Thank you Jet for repairing.  
* '''Julius''': Thank you everyone for helping rearrange the place! Thank you Jet for repairing.
* '''Naomi''': Elan for making himself available for a very difficult emotional conversation
* '''Naomi''': Elan for making himself available for a very difficult emotional conversation
* '''Jof/Naomi/SuperQ:''' for being intermediaries for getting us infra keys.
* '''Jof/Naomi/SuperQ:''' for being intermediaries for getting us infra keys.


= [[Guild]]s & [[WG]]s =
= [[Guild]]s & [[WG]]s =
''Reports from guilds & working groups. Updates! Events! Requests!''
* '''What are [[guilds]] - briefly describe''' (much like the previous section on "Excellence")


*'''Rubber-Ducky Guild''': We have a new duck -that needs a name- on top of the amplifier next to beyla, the music server.  A little green guy w/ sunglasses.  (Maybe MC Escher ?! -Perry's suggestion)
* '''Rubber-Ducky Guild''': We have a new duck -that needs a name- on top of the amplifier next to beyla, the music server.  A little green guy w/ sunglasses.  (Maybe MC Escher ?! -Perry's suggestion)


= New Members/Associate Members =
= New Members/Associate Members =
What are they? Is anyone trying to become a Member or Associate Member? If not move on. No long discussions.
 
''No new members or associate members this meeting.''
 
= Finances =


* Monthly revenue, expenses. Big projects. Big fundraising events. Reserves in bank.
* Monthly revenue, expenses. Big projects. Big fundraising events. Reserves in bank.
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== Spending Needs ==
== Spending Needs ==
Gotta spend money on XYZ (i.e. Gate, wiring etc.). WHO CAN SIGN THE CHECK OR LEND THE CREDIT CARD!?!?! It doesn't matter if we agree to do something and it can’t be paid for.


* '''Naomi''': Shelving completion will likely cost between $1200-2000  
* '''Naomi''': Shelving completion will likely cost between $1200-2000
* '''Angelo''': We should do more 3D-printed organization systems. This would need filiment support.
* '''Angelo''': We should do more 3D-printed organization systems. This would need filament support.
* '''Elan''': For the ''''low-low-low''' price of $35k we could acquire <code>bridge.net</code> allowing us to run <code>*.noise.bridge.net</code>
* '''Elan''': For the ''''low-low-low'''' price of $35k we could acquire <code>bridge.net</code> allowing us to run <code>*.noise.bridge.net</code>


= Consensus Items =


= Big C Consensus Items =
See also: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items
Nobody likes 3 hour meetings, only explain if new people are present. https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items


== [[ Consensus Items ]] ==
== 1: Membership Re-Re-Naming - Legal Implications? ==
Only for talking about Big C consensus items, small c consensus items should be discussed with people at the space at the time of the change/new item.


== 1:  Membership Re-Re-Naming - legal implications? ==
'''From/Raised by:''' Daniel + Loren
From/Raised by: Daniel + Loren
Seeking: decision/outcome/advice/[?]
On topic: Membership Re-Re-Naming - legal implications?


'''Seeking:''' Advice/Discussion


'''Background:'''
'''Background:'''
    * Noisebridge exists as 501c3 in the eyes of federal/CA govt.
* Noisebridge exists as 501c3 in the eyes of federal/CA govt.
    * These entities expect us to have "membership" and a "board".
* These entities expect us to have "membership" and a "board".
    * These officiers/board are legally responsible.
* These officers/board are legally responsible.
    * By labeling everyone who comes through the door a "member", by one interpretation of our bylaws means anyone can vote on board.
* By labeling everyone who comes through the door a "member", by one interpretation of our bylaws means anyone can vote on board.
    * This ambiguity could lead to legal dicey.
* This ambiguity could be legally dicey.
 
 
'''Naomi:''' the way this actually works in the wild is that you're asked to furnish a list on demand -- and the board can furnish exactly the list that is relevant to the ask.
 
'''Loren:''' well if you're worried about entrenched power structures...
 
'''Elan:''' This was one of the reasons for the tounge-in-cheek suggestion of "member-in-the-eyes".
 
'''Jet:''' do you have a solution you're considering?
 
'''Elan:''' We could amend the bylaws to say something more explicit, e.g. "members for the purposes of the 501C3 legal requirement". We could add language clarifying what is meant by this. 
 
'''Daniel:''' it seems like the wiki is again down and i can't resolve the DNS.  the bylaws just say we have our own internal naming scheme.  if we want to change the names as proposed, we can change it to hacker, x hacker, whatever the fuck else, i've brought up on discord and was shot down that if this is a legal risk we can ask a lawyer for advice.
 
'''Loren:''' Concern I expressed and also by nicole -- we should clarify in the bylaws what these all mean.
 
'''Naomi''': I would say choosing to amend the by-laws would cost a lot of community time. They have never been changed. This would be walking down new territory and this might be the wrong threat to be concerned about.
 
'''Julius''': I'm looking at the by-laws now and there's stuff in there like the fact that we're at 83C Wiese [oh damn, that was NB's first space] and so maybe it would be good to just all-at-once edit the bylaws to correct + update
 
'''Elan''': I don't want to voluntell anyone to do this but does anyone have a contact w/ a lawyer that can help w/ this? 
 
'''Loren''': yeah i can try, i might know somebody


'''Discussion Points:'''
* '''Naomi:''' The way this actually works in the wild is that you're asked to furnish a list on demand -- and the board can furnish exactly the list that is relevant to the ask.
* '''Loren:''' Well if you're worried about entrenched power structures...
* '''Elan:''' This was one of the reasons for the tongue-in-cheek suggestion of "member-in-the-eyes". We could amend the bylaws to say something more explicit, e.g. "members for the purposes of the 501C3 legal requirement".
* '''Daniel:''' The bylaws just say we have our own internal naming scheme. If we want to change the names as proposed, we can change it to hacker, x hacker, whatever else. I've brought up on discord and was shot down that if this is a legal risk we can ask a lawyer for advice.
* '''Loren:''' Concern I expressed and also by Nicole -- we should clarify in the bylaws what these all mean.
* '''Naomi''': Choosing to amend the by-laws would cost a lot of community time. They have never been changed. This would be walking down new territory and this might be the wrong threat to be concerned about.
* '''Julius''': I'm looking at the by-laws now and there's stuff in there like the fact that we're at 83C Wiese [NB's first space] and so maybe it would be good to just all-at-once edit the bylaws to correct + update
* '''Elan''': I don't want to voluntell anyone to do this but does anyone have a contact w/ a lawyer that can help w/ this?
* '''Loren''': Yeah I can try, I might know somebody


== 2: Fashion Pop-Up ==
== 2: Fashion Pop-Up ==
From/Raised by: Jawa + Joseph
Seeking: approval
On topic: Fashion Pop-Up


'''From/Raised by:''' Jawa + Joseph


'''Jawa:''' March 28 on a Saturday -- Marketlike experience probably downstairs
'''Seeking:''' Approval


'''Event Details:'''
* '''Date:''' March 28 (Saturday)
* '''Location:''' Probably downstairs
* '''Format:''' Market-like experience
* '''No alcohol''' - some music


'''Jet:''' if you could host in day time it could be better since we try to avoid night events
'''Discussion:'''
* '''Jet:''' If you could host in day time it could be better since we try to avoid night events. Do you need help with setup?
* '''Jawa:''' Yeah just someone to clear the tables downstairs
* '''Jet:''' Okay just ask people around to help out. I run the NB insta account feel free to connect with me after!
* '''Naomi:''' General advice: check our 86 page before running events
* '''Loren:''' Last two years there have been concerns about fundraisers that didn't actually pan out to make any money for the space and inviting people who are in that community who are banned
* '''Joseph:''' Plan on bringing people who are interested in coming to NB -- or we could sell tickets. We have an upcoming fashion show that we'd like to fundraise for.


'''Jawa:''' no alcohol - some music
== 3: GrillBridge ==
 
'''Jet:''' Do you need help with setup?
 
'''Jawa:''' Yeah just someone to clear the tables downstairs


'''Jet:''' Okay just ask people around to help out with. I run the NB insta account feel free to connect with me after!
'''From/Raised by:''' Caitlyn


'''Naomi:''' General advice: check our 86 page before running events
'''Seeking:''' Approval


'''Loren:''' Last two years there have been concerns about fundraisers that didn't actually pan out to make any money for the space and inviting ppl who are in that community who are banned
'''Proposal:''' I go fishing - I'd like to grill stuff and charge people money for NB
 
'''Naomi:''' not saying i don't believe you but also they're not promising a fundraiser...
 
'''Joseph:''' plan on bringing ppl who are interested in coming to NB -- or we could sell tickets
 
'''Jet:''' up to you guys! Are you guys making money from this event?
 
'''Joseph:''' we have an upcoming fashion show that we'd like to fundraise for
 
 
== 3: GrillBridge ==
From/Raised by: Caitlyn
Seeking: approval
On topic: GrillBridge
 
 
'''Caitlyn:''' I go fishing - I'd like to grill stuff and charge people money for NB
Jet: OK sounds good


'''Outcome:''' Approved


== 4: ATL Clarification ==
== 4: ATL Clarification ==
From/Raised by: Wheezy
Seeking: decision/outcome/advice/[?] advice
On topic: ATL Clarification
'''WEZ:''' On Feb 2nd I was ATL'd and the original message that was sent to me, was asking me to leave for one week and then edited for 2 weeks. What should I do?
'''Naomi:''' Zack asked WEZ to ATL for a week but edited it to 2 weeks. Does it matter though...since Zack is not here. Zack has ATL'd himself indefinitely, tho i got him to agree minimum 2 weeks. The stuff that Zack is saying to WEZ is very excessive (like mutually assured destruction kind of thing, will not repeat here).


'''Daniel:''' ATL can be cut by consensus (impromptu)
'''From/Raised by:''' Wheezy (WEZ)


'''Loren:''' I want WEZ to just return without having to warp consensus in weird ways
'''Seeking:''' Advice


'''Blitz:''' IDK what happened IDC just solve your shit and leave it at the door -- my personal opinion ofc but being excellent is not being a dick. Zack doesn't wanna come back fine if WEZ wants to comeback then cool just resolve the conflict
'''Background:''' On Feb 2nd I was ATL'd and the original message that was sent to me was asking me to leave for one week and then edited for 2 weeks. What should I do?
WEZ: I apologized to Zack and I also apologize to Julius for interrupting the conversation. If anyone else is offended by my words and actions please say so and seek me out


'''Julius:''' TY WEZ -- can you keep the peace if Zack is in the space? Can you be chill? It's better to reset to normal than ignore each other completely so can you do that?
'''Discussion:'''
 
* '''Naomi:''' Zack asked WEZ to ATL for a week but edited it to 2 weeks. Zack has ATL'd himself indefinitely, though I got him to agree minimum 2 weeks.
'''WEZ:''' Yes I can  
* '''Daniel:''' ATL can be cut by consensus (impromptu)
 
* '''Loren:''' I want WEZ to just return without having to warp consensus in weird ways
'''Loren:''' To WEZ & community -- it's excellent to respect the ATL and just leave the space, thank you. It's excellent to ask the meeting and willing to respect a "No", thank you.
* '''Blitz:''' IDK what happened IDC just solve your shit and leave it at the door -- my personal opinion ofc but being excellent is not being a dick. Zack doesn't wanna come back fine if WEZ wants to comeback then cool just resolve the conflict
 
* '''WEZ:''' I apologized to Zack and I also apologize to Julius for interrupting the conversation. If anyone else is offended by my words and actions please say so and seek me out
'''Elan:''' I don't think it's a safety concern and it's not gonna be worse if you come back but it may be escalated on Zack's part if you do.
* '''Julius:''' TY WEZ -- can you keep the peace if Zack is in the space? Can you be chill?
 
* '''WEZ:''' Yes I can
 
* '''Loren:''' To WEZ & community -- it's excellent to respect the ATL and just leave the space, thank you. It's excellent to ask the meeting and willing to respect a "No", thank you.
'''Julius:''' We have to treat Zach with the presumption that he can process his emotions from here out. If that turns out not to be the case, we can't preemptively protect him from that.
* '''Elan:''' I don't think it's a safety concern and it's not gonna be worse if you come back but it may be escalated on Zack's part if you do.
 
* '''Julius:''' We have to treat Zach with the presumption that he can process his emotions from here out. If that turns out not to be the case, we can't preemptively protect him from that.
 
'''Naomi:''' Elephant in the room: conflicts happen either way and we can't just leave them at the door. There are straightforward processes for resolving conflicts if people are willing to meet each there.  I see the conflict w/ Zack as fundamentally pretty resolvable, and I'm slightly annoyed WEZ bc now you're using community time as a platform to express your complaints with the person *annoyed*.  (why: b/c Zack isn't in the room, so you get to say whatever you want about Zack to a sympathetic audience who was already inclined to bring you back, dawg... --nthmost)
 
'''WEZ:''' To Elan - it's more of a question of what I should do. To Naomi - I think it's bigger than me and more of a question for the community.


'''Outcome:''' Community consensus to allow WEZ to return to the space.


== 5: Board Elections! ==
== 5: Board Elections! ==
From/Raised by: Naomi+Everyone
Seeking: decision/outcome/advice/[?] TAKE ACTION
On topic: Board Elections!
'''Naomi:''' we need to take action
'''Elan:''' We're getting ready for board elections!  we will send out a nomination thing, decide how we're electing
'''Jet:''' how do we decide who's electing?
'''Naomi:''' Core Members
'''Loren:''' we've let associate members participate....  [Naomi: what?!?]
'''Jet:''' how has it been held in the past?
'''Loren:''' various different voting processes
'''Jet:''' let's make a Consensus item for How Do We Do a Proposal
'''Loren:''' big-C Consensus?
'''Elan:''' no like small-c but we talk about it online
'''Julius:''' everyone should read the bylaws -- notification, proxy voting, stuff like that
'''Elan:''' you need to give your legal name if you're on the board
'''Naomi:''' point of board is a legal API to the world -- not for obtaining power
'''Elan:''' people resign -- they are not removed from the board...I resigned (/tried resigning? what is my legal status lol)
== 6: [topic] ==
From/Raised by: Naomi
Seeking: decision/outcome/advice/[?] Not sure
On topic: How we impart legitimacy of authority over the culture in the space
'''Naomi:''' I'm seeking to disseminate knowledge that is not well understood about how people who are at noisebridge for a long time sort of by default operate in a way that not everyone understands.
A lot of this happens on discord where people are offered a "steward" level membership where people can talk about things like immediate threats to the space
But we don't have any mechanism for pulling people out of those high trust positions. And it's an issue because there are people who I personally don't trust who are in these channels. I'm thinking especially of people who don't even live in the state anymore, who are out of touch with the day-to-day operations. I don't think those people are in a position to make major decisions about the space.
There have been things that have affected me personally where I tried to enforce a boundary with a person, and a screenshot was shared with someone, which was a serious violation of trust.
'''Loren:''' this may give the conversation more rails than perhaps you want, but what are some concrete outcomes that you would want?
'''Naomi:''' sunlight to disinfect
'''Zacchae:''' the premise of having these cabals of police sounds very anti-anarchist. So if you don't feel like this is good, maybe instead of thinking about how to kick people out of this space, why not start another group/channel?
'''Elan:''' I think this topic is on point for the "tyrrany of structurelessness", Jo Freeman. We try not to have organizational hierarchies, but then those become (get replaced by) social hierarchies. So there were things going on, like people sleeping in the space, and this was like a list of people to put on a news blast who can respond in a timely way. I heard it described as like the "adult table" where people are taking on dealing with these things (unpleasant things).
'''Loren:''' I think this channel has been around since 2024, maybe a bit earlier, 2023. I think I made it with Mark. When creating the channel, I put the '''year''' in the channel, so people would be inclined to let it die, age out. Because when you get added to a guild, people don't leave. I've registered a complaint every year that the channel should die or have turnover.
'''Naomi:''' - part of the difficulty that I encountered with this channel is that there is no agreement about how it is supposed to operate...One thing we need in the space is better conflict routing principles. We do need some kind of protective mechanism. It probably needs to be some kind of protected chat, otherwise there's no psychological safety. When we initially created Space Guardians in 2016 that was the initial trial of this (in Slack), and it was a place where ppl shared interpersonal conflicts in trust, to actually help ppl.  this hasn't seemed to work the same way.
'''Julius:''' Yeah, I think we should let it die. I think we had a situation that involved that chat, that crossed the year boundary.
'''Naomi:''' +1 to everything. There is a difference between space safety vs interpersonal conflict/?emotional safety.  I was thinking of making something specifically for dealing w/ interpersonal conflicts that shouldn't be conflated w/ dealing w/ immediate threads. I just don't want to be seen as doing some weird power grab by creating something new.
'''Julius:''' I don't want to open up the convo too much but we used to have a QR code safespace bot. This felt very impersonal and you didn't know where it'd go to. I would like to plant the idea of having specific people volunteer to be contact people, and have their names and faces attached to QR codes so that they can be reached individually. That way people can have some agency and have more trust in the person who is handling the issue.


'''From/Raised by:''' Naomi + Everyone


'''Elan:''' As a fun point-of-information, SpaceGuardians has become "Space Animal Gifs". We have a policy for access-members being "be responsible for the space". There has been an un-spoken sort of carry-over
'''Seeking:''' Take Action


'''Naomi:''' right, your princess is in another castle. just kicking the can down the road.  oh and fun fact, the person i mentioned who's out of state and thinks of themselves as the enforcer is the person who changed the name of that
'''Discussion:'''
* '''Elan:''' We're getting ready for board elections! We will send out a nomination thing, decide how we're electing
* '''Jet:''' How do we decide who's electing?
* '''Naomi:''' Core Members
* '''Loren:''' We've let associate members participate....
* '''Jet:''' How has it been held in the past?
* '''Loren:''' Various different voting processes
* '''Jet:''' Let's make a Consensus item for How Do We Do a Proposal
* '''Loren:''' Big-C Consensus?
* '''Elan:''' No like small-c but we talk about it online
* '''Julius:''' Everyone should read the bylaws -- notification, proxy voting, stuff like that
* '''Elan:''' You need to give your legal name if you're on the board
* '''Naomi:''' Point of board is a legal API to the world -- not for obtaining power
* '''Elan:''' People resign -- they are not removed from the board...I resigned (/tried resigning? what is my legal status lol)


'''Next Steps:''' Discussion to continue online about voting process and timeline.


'''Jet:''' [watching time, trying to be a good moderator] before we go further, I want to go back to what we said was the original discussion topic and make sure....
== 6: How We Impart Legitimacy of Authority Over the Culture in the Space ==


'''From/Raised by:''' Naomi


'''Naomi:''' oh, this is exactly how I was hoping for this to unfold.
'''Seeking:''' Discussion / Sunlight to disinfect


'''Background:''' Concerns about high-trust Discord channels (e.g., Space Guardians), lack of mechanisms for turnover, and trust issues with out-of-state members having decision-making power.


'''Zacchae:''' These interpesonal convos have been described as gossip but that's what it is. These are human organic people trying to share info in a way that makes sense. This is how people coordinate in an anarchist space.
'''Key Discussion Points:'''


* '''Naomi:''' We don't have any mechanism for pulling people out of high trust positions. There are people in these channels who I don't trust, especially those who don't live in the state anymore and are out of touch with day-to-day operations. There have been trust violations including screenshots being shared inappropriately.


'''Naomi:''' Yeah, it's gossip - but we're talking about trust groups, and skill groups. The group's skill was so widely variable, that someone in the space-guardians groups, shared that I was trying to hold a boundary (along w/ the screenshot of me communicating that boundary), WITH the person in question w/o my consent. I have guesses on who that was by process of elimination. Regardless, what happened is that the person i was holding the boundary w/ chose to frame this as "defamation" and was also told this was a "public" discord channel.  I was then accosted about this by a 3rd party [glances at Zacchae] and had panic attacks for a week.  So we're gonna call this a *skill issue* and note that maybe we need 2 groups, not just one -- to Julius' point also about QR code routing
* '''Zacchae:''' The premise of having these cabals of police sounds very anti-anarchist. Instead of thinking about how to kick people out of this space, why not start another group/channel?


* '''Elan:''' This is the "tyranny of structurelessness" (Jo Freeman). We try not to have organizational hierarchies, but then those become social hierarchies. This was originally a list of people who could respond to urgent issues like people sleeping in the space - like an "adult table" for dealing with unpleasant things.


'''Loren''':  groups like this will exist again in the future.  this seems phrased in a maximally "gossip-y" way, high emotional valence.  this is how people make order, when we eschew other kinds.  People should know who they trust. I think you've succeeded in getting support for your goal of specifically (rhetorically) de-legitimizing this specific group
* '''Loren:''' This channel has been around since 2023-2024. When creating the channel, I put the '''year''' in the channel name so people would be inclined to let it die, age out. I've registered a complaint every year that the channel should die or have turnover.


* '''Naomi:''' Part of the difficulty is that there is no agreement about how it is supposed to operate. We need better conflict routing principles. When we created Space Guardians in 2016 (in Slack), it was a place where people shared interpersonal conflicts in trust to actually help people. This hasn't seemed to work the same way.


'''Jet:''' I also have similar grievances with high-trust groups limiteing access to API keys etc, and then just ditching. And we don't have any way to track them down. I know some of the major issues with our infra are being resolved. I am fine with having groups like space guardians *exist*. But we need to have those groups shared with people who can be like, you're leaving and we still need to have access to this thing. There should never be a situation where just one person has access to this thing.
* '''Julius:''' Yeah, I think we should let it die. I would like to plant the idea of having specific people volunteer to be contact people, and have their names and faces attached to QR codes so that they can be reached individually. That way people can have some agency and have more trust in the person handling the issue.


* '''Elan:''' As a fun point-of-information, SpaceGuardians has become "Space Animal Gifs". We have a policy for access-members being "be responsible for the space". There has been an unspoken sort of carry-over.


'''Naomi''': Yeah so the reason I was able to get SuperQ's attention [for Ansible help] within 15 minutes while other people called him "hard to reach" was because I maintain relationships with people. I check in with them. I don't come to Noisebridge to have *another job*. This place is made of people. That was also the point of the guild system. It's simultaneously a knowledge-transfer system and also helps people be in relationship to each other.
* '''Zacchae:''' These interpersonal convos have been described as gossip but that's what it is. This is how people coordinate in an anarchist space.


[more chatter about the tyranny of structurelessness]
* '''Loren:''' Groups like this will exist again in the future. People should know who they trust. I think you've succeeded in getting support for your goal of specifically de-legitimizing this specific group.


* '''Jet:''' I also have similar grievances with high-trust groups limiting access to API keys etc, and then just ditching. We need to have those groups shared with people who can track access to critical infrastructure. There should never be a situation where just one person has access to something critical.


(the tyranny of structurelessness btw stipulates that tyranny doesn't follow from anarchism, it follows from failure to *define structure* where tyrannical gossip-y backfills are likely to cause harm. see also our very own page on [[Anarchy]] which i didn't even mostly write!!  --nthmost)
* '''Naomi:''' Yeah so the reason I was able to get SuperQ's attention within 15 minutes while other people called him "hard to reach" was because I maintain relationships with people. I don't come to Noisebridge to have *another job*. This place is made of people. That was also the point of the guild system. It's simultaneously a knowledge-transfer system and also helps people be in relationship to each other.


'''Note:''' The tyranny of structurelessness stipulates that tyranny doesn't follow from anarchism, it follows from failure to *define structure* where tyrannical gossip-y backfills are likely to cause harm. See also [[Anarchy]].


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These are the notes from the The 852nd Meeting of Noisebridge.

Date 2026 2 10
Note-takers Nthmost Elan
Moderators Jet
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Meeting Summary

Key Highlights:

  • Consensus Items Discussed: Five major items including membership naming legal implications, Fashion Pop-Up approval (March 28), GrillBridge fundraiser, ATL clarification for WEZ (resolved positively), and Board Elections planning
  • New Events: Spacebridge launch February 21st; upstairs stereo project completed (3 synced stereos)
  • Spending Needs: Shelving completion ($1200-2000), 3D-printed organization systems (filament), potential bridge.net domain acquisition ($35k)
  • Cultural Discussion: Deep dive on high-trust Discord channels, conflict routing, and the need for clearer community structures (Space Guardians transition)
  • Governance: Board elections planning underway; need to establish voting process and timeline

Attendance: Strong turnout including Angelo, Elan, Daniel, Julius, Loren, Caitlyn, Zacchie, Naomi/Nthmost, Anh, Mark, Jet, Blitzkreig/Chris, WEZ, Jawa, Joseph

Introductions

Ask people to share their name, access needs, and preferred gender pronouns, and what they do at Noisebridge

  • Angelo (he/him): I like / love the new CNC machine
  • Elan (he/they/whatever): that I can find cool collaborators for cool projects
  • Daniel (he/him): three.... deee...
  • Julius (he/him): I like that it's free - not for me but if you need it to be
  • Loren (): Infra
  • Daniel (he/him): I like the electronics room.
  • Caitlyn (): I made the food/wine.
  • Zacchie (): I like the culture.
  • Naomi/Nthmost (): I like hacking on weird culture/art/tech interfaces.
  • Anh (She/her): I like working on graphic design stuff
  • Mark (He/They): I like the potential
  • Jet (They/Them): I like the people.
  • Blitzkreig/Chris: Mostly associated with the wood shop. Helping Ken put up the shelves and teaching a bit on wood shop Wednesday.

Short announcements and events

  • Spacebridge launch on the 21st!
  • Upstairs stereo project completed! 3 stereos in-sync. If anyone wants to help set it up as a Spotify or Airplay speaker, contact the installer. Need training on how to turn it on/off since it shuts down when the space closes at night.

Excellence

Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other.

  • Jet: Excellence is like the golden-rule. Treating others how you'd like to be treated as well as how they would like to be treated!

What does that mean? Please see our page on excellence https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Excellence!

Anti-Harassment Policy & Community Standards of Excellence

Noisebridge has an Anti-Harassment Policy https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Anti-Harassment_Policy

Everyone is expected to follow the Anti-Harassment Policy, please familiarize yourself with it.

More approachable & specific guidelines: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Community_Standards

https://safespace.noisebridge.net/ is one way to quickly raise issues which will be seen by people in Slack.

Brief Kudos

  • Julius: Thank you everyone for helping rearrange the place! Thank you Jet for repairing.
  • Naomi: Elan for making himself available for a very difficult emotional conversation
  • Jof/Naomi/SuperQ: for being intermediaries for getting us infra keys.
  • Rubber-Ducky Guild: We have a new duck -that needs a name- on top of the amplifier next to beyla, the music server. A little green guy w/ sunglasses. (Maybe MC Escher ?! -Perry's suggestion)

New Members/Associate Members

No new members or associate members this meeting.

Finances

  • Monthly revenue, expenses. Big projects. Big fundraising events. Reserves in bank.
  • Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
  • The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Spending Needs

  • Naomi: Shelving completion will likely cost between $1200-2000
  • Angelo: We should do more 3D-printed organization systems. This would need filament support.
  • Elan: For the 'low-low-low' price of $35k we could acquire bridge.net allowing us to run *.noise.bridge.net

Consensus Items

See also: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items

From/Raised by: Daniel + Loren

Seeking: Advice/Discussion

Background:

  • Noisebridge exists as 501c3 in the eyes of federal/CA govt.
  • These entities expect us to have "membership" and a "board".
  • These officers/board are legally responsible.
  • By labeling everyone who comes through the door a "member", by one interpretation of our bylaws means anyone can vote on board.
  • This ambiguity could be legally dicey.

Discussion Points:

  • Naomi: The way this actually works in the wild is that you're asked to furnish a list on demand -- and the board can furnish exactly the list that is relevant to the ask.
  • Loren: Well if you're worried about entrenched power structures...
  • Elan: This was one of the reasons for the tongue-in-cheek suggestion of "member-in-the-eyes". We could amend the bylaws to say something more explicit, e.g. "members for the purposes of the 501C3 legal requirement".
  • Daniel: The bylaws just say we have our own internal naming scheme. If we want to change the names as proposed, we can change it to hacker, x hacker, whatever else. I've brought up on discord and was shot down that if this is a legal risk we can ask a lawyer for advice.
  • Loren: Concern I expressed and also by Nicole -- we should clarify in the bylaws what these all mean.
  • Naomi: Choosing to amend the by-laws would cost a lot of community time. They have never been changed. This would be walking down new territory and this might be the wrong threat to be concerned about.
  • Julius: I'm looking at the by-laws now and there's stuff in there like the fact that we're at 83C Wiese [NB's first space] and so maybe it would be good to just all-at-once edit the bylaws to correct + update
  • Elan: I don't want to voluntell anyone to do this but does anyone have a contact w/ a lawyer that can help w/ this?
  • Loren: Yeah I can try, I might know somebody

2: Fashion Pop-Up

From/Raised by: Jawa + Joseph

Seeking: Approval

Event Details:

  • Date: March 28 (Saturday)
  • Location: Probably downstairs
  • Format: Market-like experience
  • No alcohol - some music

Discussion:

  • Jet: If you could host in day time it could be better since we try to avoid night events. Do you need help with setup?
  • Jawa: Yeah just someone to clear the tables downstairs
  • Jet: Okay just ask people around to help out. I run the NB insta account feel free to connect with me after!
  • Naomi: General advice: check our 86 page before running events
  • Loren: Last two years there have been concerns about fundraisers that didn't actually pan out to make any money for the space and inviting people who are in that community who are banned
  • Joseph: Plan on bringing people who are interested in coming to NB -- or we could sell tickets. We have an upcoming fashion show that we'd like to fundraise for.

3: GrillBridge

From/Raised by: Caitlyn

Seeking: Approval

Proposal: I go fishing - I'd like to grill stuff and charge people money for NB

Outcome: Approved

4: ATL Clarification

From/Raised by: Wheezy (WEZ)

Seeking: Advice

Background: On Feb 2nd I was ATL'd and the original message that was sent to me was asking me to leave for one week and then edited for 2 weeks. What should I do?

Discussion:

  • Naomi: Zack asked WEZ to ATL for a week but edited it to 2 weeks. Zack has ATL'd himself indefinitely, though I got him to agree minimum 2 weeks.
  • Daniel: ATL can be cut by consensus (impromptu)
  • Loren: I want WEZ to just return without having to warp consensus in weird ways
  • Blitz: IDK what happened IDC just solve your shit and leave it at the door -- my personal opinion ofc but being excellent is not being a dick. Zack doesn't wanna come back fine if WEZ wants to comeback then cool just resolve the conflict
  • WEZ: I apologized to Zack and I also apologize to Julius for interrupting the conversation. If anyone else is offended by my words and actions please say so and seek me out
  • Julius: TY WEZ -- can you keep the peace if Zack is in the space? Can you be chill?
  • WEZ: Yes I can
  • Loren: To WEZ & community -- it's excellent to respect the ATL and just leave the space, thank you. It's excellent to ask the meeting and willing to respect a "No", thank you.
  • Elan: I don't think it's a safety concern and it's not gonna be worse if you come back but it may be escalated on Zack's part if you do.
  • Julius: We have to treat Zach with the presumption that he can process his emotions from here out. If that turns out not to be the case, we can't preemptively protect him from that.

Outcome: Community consensus to allow WEZ to return to the space.

5: Board Elections!

From/Raised by: Naomi + Everyone

Seeking: Take Action

Discussion:

  • Elan: We're getting ready for board elections! We will send out a nomination thing, decide how we're electing
  • Jet: How do we decide who's electing?
  • Naomi: Core Members
  • Loren: We've let associate members participate....
  • Jet: How has it been held in the past?
  • Loren: Various different voting processes
  • Jet: Let's make a Consensus item for How Do We Do a Proposal
  • Loren: Big-C Consensus?
  • Elan: No like small-c but we talk about it online
  • Julius: Everyone should read the bylaws -- notification, proxy voting, stuff like that
  • Elan: You need to give your legal name if you're on the board
  • Naomi: Point of board is a legal API to the world -- not for obtaining power
  • Elan: People resign -- they are not removed from the board...I resigned (/tried resigning? what is my legal status lol)

Next Steps: Discussion to continue online about voting process and timeline.

6: How We Impart Legitimacy of Authority Over the Culture in the Space

From/Raised by: Naomi

Seeking: Discussion / Sunlight to disinfect

Background: Concerns about high-trust Discord channels (e.g., Space Guardians), lack of mechanisms for turnover, and trust issues with out-of-state members having decision-making power.

Key Discussion Points:

  • Naomi: We don't have any mechanism for pulling people out of high trust positions. There are people in these channels who I don't trust, especially those who don't live in the state anymore and are out of touch with day-to-day operations. There have been trust violations including screenshots being shared inappropriately.
  • Zacchae: The premise of having these cabals of police sounds very anti-anarchist. Instead of thinking about how to kick people out of this space, why not start another group/channel?
  • Elan: This is the "tyranny of structurelessness" (Jo Freeman). We try not to have organizational hierarchies, but then those become social hierarchies. This was originally a list of people who could respond to urgent issues like people sleeping in the space - like an "adult table" for dealing with unpleasant things.
  • Loren: This channel has been around since 2023-2024. When creating the channel, I put the year in the channel name so people would be inclined to let it die, age out. I've registered a complaint every year that the channel should die or have turnover.
  • Naomi: Part of the difficulty is that there is no agreement about how it is supposed to operate. We need better conflict routing principles. When we created Space Guardians in 2016 (in Slack), it was a place where people shared interpersonal conflicts in trust to actually help people. This hasn't seemed to work the same way.
  • Julius: Yeah, I think we should let it die. I would like to plant the idea of having specific people volunteer to be contact people, and have their names and faces attached to QR codes so that they can be reached individually. That way people can have some agency and have more trust in the person handling the issue.
  • Elan: As a fun point-of-information, SpaceGuardians has become "Space Animal Gifs". We have a policy for access-members being "be responsible for the space". There has been an unspoken sort of carry-over.
  • Zacchae: These interpersonal convos have been described as gossip but that's what it is. This is how people coordinate in an anarchist space.
  • Loren: Groups like this will exist again in the future. People should know who they trust. I think you've succeeded in getting support for your goal of specifically de-legitimizing this specific group.
  • Jet: I also have similar grievances with high-trust groups limiting access to API keys etc, and then just ditching. We need to have those groups shared with people who can track access to critical infrastructure. There should never be a situation where just one person has access to something critical.
  • Naomi: Yeah so the reason I was able to get SuperQ's attention within 15 minutes while other people called him "hard to reach" was because I maintain relationships with people. I don't come to Noisebridge to have *another job*. This place is made of people. That was also the point of the guild system. It's simultaneously a knowledge-transfer system and also helps people be in relationship to each other.

Note: The tyranny of structurelessness stipulates that tyranny doesn't follow from anarchism, it follows from failure to *define structure* where tyrannical gossip-y backfills are likely to cause harm. See also Anarchy.

End of Meeting