Meeting Notes 2026 01 06

These are the notes from the The 847th Meeting of Noisebridge.

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Meeting Summary

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Introductions

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1. 1. South Korea Contingent is visiting to the NB

- MInseong

- Dongeon from Nomadamas an AI open source group backed by MarkrAI.

JD - teach a laser class and do other sundry tasks

Ken - also I do tasks

Zack - Newer laser teacher. Raise butterflies, do stuff on the laser, this is my sandbox

Null - retired nevermind... just a musician

Julius - I mostly

Will - live in the neighborhood, been here a couple times. Interested in using the space.

Brad - been to nb once and 3d printing

HB - Hungry bogart BDS/BBS

SoderFUMEz - D.a.n.i.e.l dual axis controls sys - coffee thing

Zacchae - Host the decentralized web meetup. Mostly known for my AR setup.

Josh

WE-Z - I do ML infrastructure and a musician

Daniel - I do many things

Travis - visiting from Joshua Tree. Cool to be here because I read your manifesto a decade ago and turned it into a hackerspace (though not a social space).

Naomi - nthmost hacking since 2009

Frank - mostly interested in computer stuff

Alex Peake - gamebridge

Short announcements and events

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Excellence

Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other. (On first Tuesdays, seek a few definitions. Other Tuesday, give a 1-3 sentence summary.)

Being emotionally intelligent. Being kind, putting your best foot forward. Don't sleep in the space, don't poop on the floor. Just use common sense. People who come here sometimes think they can do anything, because there are no surveillance cameras. But we are all friends here, we look out for each other and the space.

What does that mean? Please see our page on excellence https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Excellence!

Anti-Harassment Policy & Community Standards of Excellence

Noisebridge has an Anti-Harassment Policy https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Anti-Harassment_Policy Everyone is expected to follow the Anti-Harassment Policy, please familiarize yourself with it.) TWO MINUTES MAX More approachable & specific guidelines, https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Community_Standards https://safespace.noisebridge.net/ is one way to quickly raise issues which will be seen by people in Slack.

Brief Kudos

Recent examples of excellent behavior, say 3, unless the passion moves you.

Sean - Showed up for the first time today and asked it he could fix the laser computer, fixed it, and left. He's only here for one week, so we have to get him to fix everything

JD - for coming in to help check out the moisture situation.

Julius and daniel - removed trash and debris dumped on sidewalk $1000 fine was avoided.

Zoning, Permitting, & Improvements -- Standing Item

ceiling caved in inside the downstairs bathroom. There are also other penetrations in the music room, and in the RNA lounge near the window. There was mold exposed. The Nazi roofer has been called in by the landlord. His work is under warranty. I came in and punched some holes to see the extent of it.

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Status this week? Helpful broad asks to the community? NB city bureaucracy WG -- JD & Alice, among others.

Guilds & WGs

Reports from guilds & working groups. Updates! Events! Requests!

• What are guilds - briefly describe (much like the previous section on "Excellence")

• Wheezy == Music Guild == lock on the door!!

Null - can we get metal wires to clamp onto shit to reduce walkaway? Wheezy - yes -- notice that PS4 I bolted down years ago hasn't gone anywhere! Naomi - yes and we can make enclosures like that aesthetic ALex - If you look at the recording in progress sign, the electrical is jank. So we may need to add some outlets JD - There were 2-3 quad boxes added this past year. Wheezy - a lot of them were blocked by junk before and should be accessible now.

• Spacebridge ==

• Treasurer's Guild

Zacchae - Web Daniel and I were talking about volunteering as additional treasurers to help unblock things. Create a workflow where things are stored not just on one computer.

JD - this afternoon we were talking about establishing a group to look at hiring an accountant to handle the day to day

New Members/Associate Members

What are they? Is anyone trying to become a Member or Associate Member? If not move on. No long discussions.

Financial Report (first Tuesday of month only)

Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.

• Monthly revenue, expenses. Big projects. Big fundraising events. Reserves in bank.
• Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
• The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Finances

Spending Needs

Gotta spend money on XYZ (i.e. Gate, wiring etc.). WHO CAN SIGN THE CHECK OR LEND THE CREDIT CARD!?!?! It doesn't matter if we agree to do something and it can’t be paid for.

• Ken -- dump runs -- receipts are building up. Last one $84
• Signage -- $200 for front windows

Fundraising Update

How's it all going

• null -- I was talking to someone who is working on going around to monied institutions and basically reminding them that we exist, and suggesting that they should donate to allow the space to continue to exist.

Big C Consensus Items

Daniel: No changes to NB -- Idea: 3 stated membership types - supporing member - goal is to lower the threshold to "Memba!" - access memeber (24/7) needs trust - steward member / Policy member [current big M member] "Submissive member" = only org simps are allowed to be this B.I.G. "501c3 legal member" - use this name call it 5Member Wheezy - big fan of removing the word BIG because it attracts sm0l people.

change all door acces change wiki change language in 501c3 might need to change wrt 5013c members

when you

Ken - acting member/active member

Zacchae - I just wanted to point out that as much as you can call this bikeshedding, this does seem important because people want a simple answer to how to be involved, how to give us money. So it can't be any more complicated than that.

Alex - are we considering having a different category for people who don't do a *recurring* donation?

General negative response

I'm fine with passing it and leaving the refining the terminology to a small c discussion. Steward is a great word, but it also describes what Access members do. So maybe describe those people who can block consensus.

Null - just to tag onto JDs point where there is a requirement of having a voting body, we should call that level "501c legal member"

Alex - I also considered 501c3 member, because it doesn't import any value judgments. But I didn't thingk people would like it because it is too long. Maybe "formal member"?

https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items

Consensus Items

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Discussion Items

== Template... [num]: [topic-short] ==Check in on event Saturday !!! put this in item 2 please From/Raised by: yogi Seeking: advice/[?] outcome On topic:

(discussion item) 1: [topic]

From/Raised by: JD, Julius Seeking: decision/outcome/advice/[?] On topic: Creating a group to reach out to registered CPAs and gather information on how much this would cost, see who is available

Basically we are creating a group who is empowered to reach out to these people and request their services on behalf of NB.

There is still going to have to be a person who is responsible for actually evaluating

Alex - Just wanted to reiterate that in years past, the treasurer job was just reading what is on the wiki, and that information was always updated. The treasurer wasn't often even at the meetings. So my question is do we want to automate

Null - WHat I would say is that perfect is the enemy of done. Much as we would like, the world doesnt have APIs for everything we would like to know. So PGE saying hey your bill was 20k because someone installed a miner isn't something we can automate our way out of.

Julius - we will presume that we have the backing of the space as far as saying to CPAs that we are potentially interested in hiring them.

(discussion item) 2: [topic]

From/Raised by: Naomi Seeking: documentation of outcome On topic: Today I asked Elle to leave permanently.

There is a page that lays out the series of events that have unfolded with Elle at the center of them. (https://nthmost.com/NB_Ellewrites/)

David - how many times have we mediated with her?

Naomi - three times.

David - Have we attempted this in a group context with multiple members?

Naomi - That's not a mediation, that's a tribunal. [Or a reprimand --Nthmost, added later] Mediation is about repairing the relationship between two people.

Null - There are really great things about Elle. Sewing, grantwriting. But there are also parts of her that are a tarpit. And the question is how you balance those things against each other.

Naomi - She also has a pattern of claiming to do much more than she actually does. I did two different types of analysis, conflict and credit-taking. The other thing she does is she takes credit much more than she gives credit. And what that does is it makes it very unappealing to collaborate with her.

(Story:) Loren was interrogated by elle excessively for 30 minutes and wasn't respectful. Argument: elle doesn't engage respectfully with interrogating if the process is.

Null - One thing that's part of my own process is that when we condemn someone with absolution, there is no path to redemption. Do we feel like there is a path to Elle's redemption sometime in the future?

Wheezy - one thing so you can have context for what she does is making up rules on the spot for how mediation should work. Reframing a disagreement into a gender based conflict and dragging another woman into the argument who was clearly not comfortable and not consenting to being involved.

Null - what I'm saying about the redemption process is that the way that Elle is behaving today is so socially deleterious that I'm comfortable with a sort of invisible 86. Maybe in five years, you have gone to therapy etc

Josh - I don't think that a specific time limit or threshold makes sense. I think if she came back in 7.5 months and said hey I've been to therapy, this is how I have changed, that would be worth considering.

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Josh - You don't deal with a high conflict individual by listing all the things they did wrong. That just opens up a firehose of conflict.

Julius - she's very good at identifying whose side she needs to stay on in order to not experience consequences for actions and for a long time that was me that's been UJD that's been you (Ken) can that's been you (Josh). It's like she's just very good at choosing people to always be nice to always be respectful too I don't think yeah and unfortunately, other people have not been lucky but when we were having discussion about potentially doing a follow up to the quinceanera, I really tried because for context the quinceanera did not actually make money. It was not neutral and only because we got about $2000 in raffle tickets purchased by one person who felt bad for us, but you know in her mind. It was a huge success so we need to do this again and we need to have what I tried to do was I tried to redirect her into maybe we can just have a celebration maybe it doesn't have to be a fundraiser maybe we can focus our efforts on like just having a party in Northbridge make it cheap right beer and pizza right we don't have to say that we're gonna do a silent auction and then run around at the last second and I didn't say it like that but we don't have to spend all this effort. I'm trying to do fundraising activities that aren't going to be necessarily that successfu. We can just do a party and her response in this situation was how dare you I don't care about parties for noise. I care about making money and keeping us open basically screw you and she didn't know who she was talking to cause she called in remotely and I tried to be like hey hi hello it's me you know like and then she, then she backed off when she realized that she was speaking to me because I think you know she hadn't intended to sort of show that to me at that point and I think that's the pattern in a lot of situations she does good stuff sometimes and she does treat people respectfully sometimes sometimes but if if she's in a bad mood if she decides she doesn't like you, you get the shit stick that's that's the thing that is very troubling to me even if she did come in and I saw her beating respectfully I wouldn't be able to trust that she was gonna be that way around other people or consistently

David - I haven't had any bad experiences with her, is perma-ban appropriate? what about a 6th month cool down?

daniel - like if she could just be like constraining the certain limits it would work, but that's just not how we can't be like you're the one problem person keep them in the pen like it's either like you have access to everything or nothing so it's not compatible so I forget, which which one of you

Ken - whether or not, that's a good kind of reflection list for her to gauge her performance direct to that if someone could

CHORUS: she's gonna know after this meeting.

nthmost: Here's the documentation https://nthmost.com/NB_Ellewrites/ -- She does know about a couple of issues already because i've at-replied her on the discord. For example, the issue with making up a rule simply so you can drag someone in a public place for something minor.

Being rude to someone because he didn't see her on the call was on a call at a fundraising meeting and then just tried to tell her look I went and talked to Ahn, she wasn't offended at all and then she responded him by saying like you're being rude to me in bravespace and I'm gonna need you to disengage and he responded by saying like I don't -- basically he had whiplash by that point -- anyway you should go back and look at this exchange because it doesn't make sense, but she tried to make up a rule that says you're not allowed to talk to people in private messages to work out conflicts. You only do it in bravespace which was never a rule, not ever like, not even even once she just made it up on the spot in order to make him look bad right because if that is the policy -- I don't know how no one questioned at the time -- but if that is the policy, then he just broke it and so she's allowed to treat him like shit for breaking this alleged policy. It's RIGHT THERE, you can read it. It's not hearsay. And the thing is, if you're trying to say "bravespace is confusing" which is what she argued when i called her on it, then shouldn't you assume _everyone_ finds it confusing and give people the benefit of the doubt??

Null: psychopathy psychopathy that's psychopathy

Josh - redemption rather than five years so I think we don't really need that. I think if she came back to us stay in 7.5 months and instead I've been to therapy and I realize I'm trying to get better. Anybody would be would be happy with her coming back so we don't really need to document something that we need to keep track of you know when she can come back or anything.

[Null during the meeting wrote here a letter to Elle; i've moved it further down to preserve the original flow of the meeting --Nthmost]

That was something really very hard to do in the space and L harassed me on a couple different occasions why I had to tell her to stop and I had to I had to physically get up and move and then she followed me and it was so stressful that I was faced with the situation of asking her to leave or leaving myself, and I knew that if I asked her to leave that I would never come back here again, even though I had asked her to leave I would just be done so I chose to walk out not you know not to never come back but just to cool off and leave so it's putting me in a situation where I have to basically remove myself from the situation instead of her, controlling it or somebody else helping out and so this year on my calendar, it said arts band open studios again Northbridge and I looked at it, and I didn't say a single thing to anybody. I didn't try to organize. It didn't try to sign us up for it because I've learned my lesson bicycle and other thing just to finishes. I had a class that I did called how to bank you and again this is when I first came and I had all the energy like soda. I was putting myself out there and I organized it and we put it on meet up and a bunch of people signed up immediately and because people were saying boys were just going out of business we need money we need classes and so I was just responding exactly to what noise we were saying, organiand like with events, you have to schedule it. You have to pick a spot so it doesn't overlap and towards the end of my event L came out physically took over half the space. Some paint got on one of my people some of the paint that we had from spraying got onto one of the people that was with her and it just basically just kind of like a ambushment that's the last time that I have done an event for a class here and it's been over a year. That's what represents it and I literally think that's part of why we have such low membership so if you don't think that's serious, we literally could go out of business and there'd be no more because of one person but it's also because of us not responding correctly. It's like a fire you gotta put it out. That's all I gotta say.

Julius: I think even though this was a hard thing to do this was a successful meeting.

But I think that this process was the result of a lot of hard work by people who are willing to frankly put themselves at risk and then get some bruises and you know engaged with the community so yeah as much as this sounds like a bad thing I think this meeting is actually a success. I think it's a successful outcome and I want to say thank you to Zach. I saw what you posted in the discord after that interaction with L and I think that that was the best way you couldn't engage with that just saying, you know, I'm taking space for myself. You know being great directed about it and thank you for coming back.

Zach: Thank you. It's just speaking up tonight. It's very hard for me to do. My face is hot. My heart is beating and I juI feel really really fucking stressed out and I'm not sure if speaking up tonight was the right thing for my physical mental health, but fuck it nice spirit needs it you know we have to speak up we have to testify or else we keep dying a bunch of stuff unless there were some significant systemic.

nthmost systemic failures:

   There's some high brow stuff that I put on the wiki -- Anarchy Paralysis is the name of it. I would love some more engagement on this kind of stuff. I mean, the way Zoda would describe what happened about three months ago ago was that there was consensus and yet no one felt they could do anything. Literally could've had this meeting about three months ago ago. Maybe a year ago.  I don't know.  so there's that and then there's also just like how do we how do we develop a better respect for mediators because I think one of the issues here is that we treated mediators as equals like oh that's just another opinion to add into the bucket about this person rather than expert opinion, right -- we're treating somebody who has just come fresh to Linux as being on the same level as somebody who's been like hacking on Linux shit for like 20 years? Do you know what I'm saying? like oh I guess you guys can both accomplish things on the command line equally. No, we have to treat mediators as expert witnesses and we haven't been.   This is just commentary, sorry.

(discussion item) 3: [topic]

From/Raised by: Zack Seeking: call for volunteers / announcement On topic: Call/Advertise/look for a grant writer. I don't know how that would work here, but not having a grant writer is affecting everything. This could be a major source of money. It could allow us to afford all the things like buying machines, things we need, hiring a CPA-accountant, etc. The fact that we aren't getting grant money regularly, means we aren't functioning normally as a nonprofit. Every other nonprofit does this.

Naomi - Grantwriting is one of those things that feels like it requires a group consensus but it doesn't. You can just do it. You can just apply on the behalf of noisebridge and come back with 50k.

JD - we can give people a lot more legitimacy if we give them a noisebridge email. Maybe grants@noisebridge.net

David - has anybody actually *done* this at NB?

JD - Yes. The door grant.

Do-ocratic Task Board

• create noisebridge.net email addresses to bolster fundraising/grantwriting success

• Write an empathetic community letter to Elle. ("It just has to come from not-me. I am Bad Cop in this whole thing. Someone who has an actual friendly relationship with her." --Nthmost)

Null:

   A letter to elle:
       ```empathetic community message

1. A Letter About Moving Forward Together

Dear Elle,

we're writing to you because we care about you as a person and about our community. This isn't easy to write, and we imagine it won't be easy to read. we ask that you try to receive this in the spirit it's intended—not as an attack, but as an honest conversation about patterns that have been hurting people, including you.

1. 1. What we've Observed

Over the past year and a half, we've noticed something that concerns us. When disagreements arise—even small, technical ones—they seem to grow quickly into something much bigger. What starts as a difference of opinion sometimes becomes about character, or about values like fairness and safety, in ways that feel disproportionate to the original issue.

We've seen people leave our community who didn't want to leave. Zoda, who gave so much as a mediator, eventually stepped back—exhausted and struggling with sleepless nights. Wyatt, who was excited to teach, started dreading coming to the space. Justin pulled back from fundraising work he cared about. These losses hurt all of us.

1. 1. The Pattern We're Hoping You Can See

When conflicts happen, we've noticed a tendency to:

- Skip past the early stages where people can just talk things through, and move quickly to bringing in allies or making it about bigger principles - Use community safety processes in ways they weren't designed for—as consequences rather than protection - Take on visible leadership roles but struggle to follow through on the behind-the-scenes work, then not fully acknowledge others who stepped in to help

We don't believe you're doing this to be hurtful. we think you care deeply about this community and about doing what's right. But the impact has been painful for people, regardless of intent.

1. 1. What We Are Asking

we're asking you to pause and reflect honestly. When a conflict arises, can you try staying in the conversation longer before escalating? Can you ask yourself whether this disagreement really needs to become about someone's character, or whether it can stay about the specific issue?

When you take on a leadership role, can you either commit to the unglamorous parts—the emails, the booking, the follow-through—or openly share that responsibility from the start?

And when others help, can you make sure they're acknowledged? A community only works when people feel seen.

1. 1. You Are Not the Villain

I want to be clear: you are not a bad person. You have brought energy and ideas to this space. But right now, the way conflicts are being handled is unsustainable—for you and for everyone else.

People are afraid to disagree with you because they've seen what happens. That's not the community any of us want. we believe you don't want that either.

1. 1. Moving Forward

we're not asking you to be perfect. we're asking you to be willing to look at this honestly, maybe with support from someone you trust—a therapist, a mentor, a friend outside the community who can help you see what's hard to see from the inside.

We want your positive energy. But we need things to change.

With care and hope for what's possible, the_Noisebridge_Kamona/Kommune ```

Participation also means doing stuff to contribute to the space. Propose new tasks or pick some tasks from Github, from what needs to be done around you, or whatever, and see if someone will sign up to work on that task. Anyone can sign up and it's a great way to show you are contributing!

• What wiki pages need updating? What new wiki pages do we need? Discovered from the meeting.

End of Meeting

Note taker posts the notes

• Clean and tidy the meeting notes including removing all these really verbose instructions.
• Fill out the short summary at the top listing just announcements, consensus items, discussion topics, and names of new members and philanthropists.
• Copy paste the notes to the next meeting page. (They will become Last meeting at midnight.) https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Last_meeting&redirect=no
• Email the meeting summary to Noisebridge Discuss and Noisebridge Announce lists.
• CC on the email treasurer@noisebridge.net and secretary@noisebridge.net if there are new members and philanthropists.
• Edit the Current Consensus Items if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
• Edit the Consensus Items History if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.

Fun things to do after

• Do a 10 minute cleanup, bring dishes up stairs and wash them, clean the bathroom
• Have some beers on the patio
• Prepare the next weeks' meeting notes
• Lick the walls. Or just draw on them
• sing the Hackernationale (this almost never happens)